1. Welcome to the Green and Gold Rugby forums. As you can see we've upgraded the forums to new software. Your old logon details should work, just click the 'Login' button in the top right.

Waratah Shield 2013

Discussion in 'Schoolboy Rugby' started by Hugh Jarse, Apr 11, 2013.

  1. Schools Rugby Tribune Frank Nicholson (4)

    Likes Received:
    10
    There is a match report on Schools Rugby Tribune.

    First half even, but Auggies were superb in the second half.
    I like to watch and The Rock like this.
  2. Lee Grant John Eales (66)

    Likes Received:
    5,100
    I like to watch and Quick Hands like this.
  3. The Rock Ward Prentice (10)

    Likes Received:
    25
  4. Quick Hands David Wilson (68)

    Likes Received:
    10,185
    It's not about what I want or don't want, it's just the reality.

    I don't think it's realistic to compare semi-professional adults in Shute Shield or semi-professional adults representing their country, with amateur boys in a school competition.

    It's not about winning or losing - it's about being competitive. There is a difference between going out against a strong team, playing your best and losing 35-12 and going out in a complete mis-match and losing 80 or 100 nil and getting physically belted in the process, particularly when rugby isn't your main sport and you have school and other issues to worry about.

    Students, schools and parents are voting with their feet and not entering.

    I'm extremely fortunate to have played at a time when most games were quite close, and scores over 30 were a rarity. I know when I was refereeing juniors, once the score got above 60, I'd call full-time.
    I like to watch likes this.
  5. Quick Hands David Wilson (68)

    Likes Received:
    10,185
    Fun getting belted 80-100 nil by boys twice your size and strength??

    That's what was happening in the early rounds and so the next year, the school either didn't enter or as soon as they came up against a big rugby school they forfeited.

    It might sound fun, but it's not - particularly if someone is seriously hurt in one of these mismatches.
    I like to watch likes this.
  6. Quick Hands David Wilson (68)

    Likes Received:
    10,185
  7. RugbyTears Chris McKivat (8)

    Likes Received:
    36
    Officially Eddies was banned from playing in the Waratah Shield for a couple of years because they are based in the ACT -- what they really should do is banned any team coached by Papahatzis to make it a more even comp :) His record at Eddies was sensational, and now what he has done at Auggies is even more remarkable. Not just 1st XV but right across the board.
    Lee Grant likes this.
  8. Runner Nev Cottrell (35)

    Likes Received:
    138
    So that would include the successful ISA reps and NSW. Sounds like a plot from Qld.
  9. Quick Hands David Wilson (68)

    Likes Received:
    10,185
    It's not ony his win/loss record, but the way his teams play the game. High speed, high skill. He played for Randwick and still has that philosphy.
    Runner likes this.
  10. Hugh Jarse Rocky Elsom (76)

    Likes Received:
    10,844
    There can't be too many John Papahatzis about.

    While looking for something completely different, I stumbled across a reference to a John Papahatzis playing second row for Easts in the ACT (around July 1978).

    Others have said he was a Randwick Junior. Was he teaching at Eddies (or studying at ANU or the like) and playing for Easts ACT in 78?
  11. Wood Rat Alfred Walker (16)

    Likes Received:
    115
    as far as I can see this has been addressed by providing qualifying rounds for "minnows" and calling it the Warratah cup. This was discussed during the presentation speeches and results, or links to result lists, have been posted sporadically in this thread. both finalists in the cup have the opportunity to play in the Warratah shield

    Epping Boys High were one of the teams that qualified for "The Shield" in this manner and were unlucky enough to draw St Augustines in the 1/4 final. Their result against Augies was not significantly worse than any other team in this competition, and would possibly have given the other three semi-finalists a good run.

    the other mechanism used to quarentine less qualified competitors from disasters was to provide last years finalist with buy rounds at the start of the shield comp. This was questioned by some posters earlier in this thread but results and the post by Quick Hands quoted, give explanation for this option.

    Funnily enough the cup was spoken of as something new, but I thought I recall teams qualifying for the shield quarter finals by winning the cup 30 years ago
    Monty Python likes this.
  12. Wood Rat Alfred Walker (16)

    Likes Received:
    115
    The difficulty of having to play through the qualifiers is the time and game commitment this requires. And the commitment of School staff and/or parent volunteers in amongst a possibly/probably full schooling and sporting program. This was demonstrated again by the lads from Epping having to play in two competitions in the same day.

    Extreme examples could see players from a different association playing e.g. Warratah Cup Tuesday MCS league Thursday CCC rep Rugby Saturday Club rugby Sunday if you are still standing. Include Training and rediscovering brain cell for learning.

    being with one of the "super powers" doesn't reduce the commitment much but on an overfull plate any relief if valuable
  13. Wood Rat Alfred Walker (16)

    Likes Received:
    115
    Is there a story around the team named on the back of the shield
    a team from the 1920s
    the squad is named and their win/draw loss ratio noted
  14. Quick Hands David Wilson (68)

    Likes Received:
    10,185
    He was in Canberra before he went to Augustines, I assume he moved there about that time.
  15. The Rock Ward Prentice (10)

    Likes Received:
    25
    Give Papahatzis a go with the Wallabies and watch a fast entertaining game with less kicking and how he utilise his backline on speed and moves.
    I have watch a lot of coaches over the years and he is the Best. The facts speak for themselves.
    Brumbies Guy and Quick Hands like this.
  16. Lee Grant John Eales (66)

    Likes Received:
    5,100
    They hardly kicked a ball from hand yesterday Rock.

    Part of that was their predilection for running the ball at all times, but another part was that the star player of their opponents was Ben Cotton, a considerable fullback in a year of excellent NSW Schools fullbacks.

    They didn't want him to run the ball back.

    Pappa has his detractors and we all remember what he did a couple of years ago as NSW I coach and selector, and the reasons he did what he did.

    I said at the time when people pilloried him: Australian Schools rugby needed more Pappas - not fewer.

    We need more rugby missionaries who do good works.
    .

    Attached Files:

    Monty Python, Quick Hands and Runner like this.
  17. Quick Hands David Wilson (68)

    Likes Received:
    10,185
    The Waratah Cup is a great initiative as it gives schools without a full-time rugby programme the chance to compete against like schools and have a realistic chance of winning the thing.

    Full marks to whoever thought of it.
    Monty Python and I like to watch like this.

Share This Page