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Waratahs 2020

Discussion in 'Rugby Discussion' started by RugbyReg, May 9, 2019.

  1. RugbyReg George Smith (75)

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    There's something about Harrison that is very special.

    He was criticized in a lot of the traditional circles because he didn't play schoolboy rugby but made the Australian schoolboys (maybe captain?). The school didn't actually play rugby so he made his way playing colts at Randwick. He proved himself then.

    Then he had an absolute shocker for the Rays on NRC debut and was, again, roundly criticized by fans as being not up to it. But he stuck at it and, I thought, was one of the Rays' best that season.

    Similarly, he was a little off in his early games for the Tahs, but again showed he could match it with great composure this season.

    I think he is an exceptional talent. A perfect foil for some of the individual stars we have coming through the system.

    I maintain his game in the wet on the GC for the Jnr Wallabies v the Small Blacks last year was one of the finest wet weather games by an Aussie 10 for decades.
  2. dru Steve Williams (59)

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    Thinking through those numbers the importance of academy pathway seems a major issue. From the outside those pathways seemed less effective for Mason than they have been more recently.
  3. eastman Ted Thorn (20)

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    Another point to consider is that coaches tend to persist (or give more leeway) with underperforming players if they have obvious potential and talent, as demonstrated on the training paddock and/or lower levels of rugby. Anyone who has played/ followed rugby to any significant level, will always be able to point out examples of players who performed poorly during the early stages of their career, but were always 'good' players and destined to succeed eventually.

    Two glaring (and probably extreme) examples would be Damien Mackenzie or Quade Cooper who both looked below average in their initial performances in super rugby but obviously had enough talent that they were always going to be successful and worth persevering with.

    Basically what I'm saying (and the coaches at the Waratahs would seemingly agree) is that Mason probably didn't have enough upside or potential to justify the continued investment and persistence.
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  4. Braveheart81 Rocky Elsom (76)

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    It's mostly just a numbers game. There just aren't enough professional positions in the game in Australia for everyone coming out of the under 20s even if they were stars in that age group.

    The health of our overall rugby pathways will be shown by how many of those players in total can forge a long professional career either here or overseas but the number of jobs here will always be limited.

    The reality though is that a lot of them will never really go on to much more, particularly when we're not performing that well (i.e. prior to our 2nd place finish last year we were finishing 5th - 8th over the 7 years before that). It's hard to picture there being good professional rugby careers for all the players coming out of a team that was fairly average in that age group.
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  5. dru Steve Williams (59)

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    ^^I see I have drifted the topic off thread, which is a pity as it is interesting.

    To get back on task, I’m quite excited to see Harrison develop. Has everything in front of him.
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  6. Finsbury Girl Bill McLean (32)

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    I'm not saying he would've been a superstar but how the hell would we know? You cannot call riding the pine for 2 years 'development' can you. Running around Coogee Oval on a Sat arvo is not exactly running out at Rugby Park.

    Harrison looks to be by far a better player so not really apples to apples.

    I've done this to death. Moving on.
  7. Braveheart81 Rocky Elsom (76)

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    He would have looked a whole lot better in club rugby and NRC if he was going to succeed at Super Rugby level.
    This is why Mason didn't get more opportunities and ultimately when the job became available, he didn't get it.
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  8. molman John Solomon (38)

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    You've got players like Andrew Deegan who are examples of having to take less direct paths in improving their craft. He's a better player than he was when the Tah's released him. Mason might still grow. Like I said in an earlier post, sometimes a change isn't a bad thing. A number of Aussie players have been better for having a go in another comp like the ITM/Mitre10 cup or Pro14/Top14 etc. So all the best to him if he's keen on this path and profession.. and don't forget that he's still contracted till end of November (unless I missed an official release?) so there is always a chance we might see him again if needed.
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  9. The Honey Badger Peter Johnson (47)

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    I dont think Tahs have any real depth at 10. Harrison, Donaldson & Hunt. Possibly playing 10,15 &12 in a starting 15. Maddocks might be a 15 but can he play 10? One and a bit injuries might see Mason back in the mix.

    I am hoping he gets a chance. When hes good is is special, and I just cant see him being as bad as he was vs SW ever again. New coach should be able to get that demon out of his head. (I blame Daryl)
  10. wamberal David Codey (61)

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    Tayler Adams was a loss. Played for the wrong club.
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  11. fatprop David Wilson (68)

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    Mason hasn't taken his chances, as limited as they have been and others have shown more

    I hope he finds somewhere and shines

    (that way the tahs development structure can be blamed as usual)
  12. KiwiM Charlie Fox (21)

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    Tayler Adams played Mitre 10 Cup and didn't look anywhere near Super Rugby level.
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  13. fatprop David Wilson (68)

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    I think it is the least of our problems, if Harrison was behind the pony's pigs there would be fewer concerns

    The side is in a state of flux, we will be lucky to win a game, we will have to go through the pain while they get their shit together
  14. Up and under Stan Wickham (3)

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    No depth at 10?? Harrison and Donaldson are the two Australian U20's 10's from last year. Yes they are inexperienced, but they are two of the most talented fly-halves in the country. Throw in young Tane Edmed, and I'd say that the Waratahs are well positioned for fly-halves moving forward.

    They have all proved through their junior, schoolboy and rep rugby careers that they are the real deal. Let's not forget that they are only 20/21 years old. They just need to be surrounded by experienced teammates who can guide them forward.
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  15. The Honey Badger Peter Johnson (47)

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    I rate Harrison big time. I am certain he will end up a wob. He actually played U20 for 2 years but didn't get too much game time in 2018 because Stewart was drafted in.

    I havent seen Donaldson play much, clearly got some raps on him.

    Tell me about Tane
  16. Braveheart81 Rocky Elsom (76)

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    He went to Trinity Grammar and played Australian Schoolboys etc. He would have been a good chance at being our under 20s 10 this year if it had been played.



    More importantly, he is the son of Balmain Tigers legend Steve Edmed.

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  17. The Honey Badger Peter Johnson (47)

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    Impressive highlights, does lots of stepping and running. I assume he has a kicking game as well. Saw 1 chip and regather looked good.
  18. KOB1987 Steve Williams (59)

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    First home game is v the Force at SCG on 11th July, and then the Brumbies at ANZ on the 18th. Not ideal if you’re attending but using the bigger stadiums makes sense for these earlier games, and as I said earlier I’d happily watch from a paddock in Wilcannia. Hopefully the later 2 home games can be at more intimate venues, BankWest and possibly Newcastle.
  19. waiopehu oldboy David Wilson (68)

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    ^ has there been or is there likely to be any movement on how many fans will be allowed at games?
  20. KOB1987 Steve Williams (59)

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    The issue with the bigger stadiums was more about crowd control, and the use of public transport etc. I haven’t seen anything official re those stadiums but NSW today halved the 4 square metre rule to 2 square metres. Logically this will mean the smaller stadiums will go from 25% to 50%. They aren’t going to be expecting 40,000 to turn up to the SCG so my guess is they will just open a few stands, say the side on lower levels, and similar for ANZ.

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