Where to for Twiggy Rugby?

[dru]

A convicted white collar criminal looking after governance. Great start.

I was taking a bet here at work before this pithy bit of complaint was dropped on the table. No-one thought that quick though.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...e/news-story/22755d71660efd4286b01bcbb638207f

Twiggy gave the bloke a second chance, after he paid the penalty, and he runs his Philanthropy business. Which happens to be head lining the IPC thing.

No comment on any other of the personnel BH?

 

[Braveheart81]

No comment on any other of the personnel BH?

Aside from Welborn, Stooke and Sinderberry I don't know anything about the other people.

I fully support Forrest giving Hartman a second chance. I agree he has paid the price for his crimes and realistically copped a pretty harsh sentence relative to some others in similar situations.

It's not invalid to raise his position as someone involved in the governance of this new competition when so much has been said questioning the integrity of those at the ARU.

 

[kiap]

Ex Iggys, eh? The "old boys" need a few, erm, rogues in there - reformed - otherwise it's all boring old farts

 

[dru]

Aside from Welborn, Stooke and Sinderberry I don't know anything about the other people.

I fully support Forrest giving Hartman a second chance. I agree he has paid the price for his crimes and realistically copped a pretty harsh sentence relative to some others in similar situations.

It's not invalid to raise his position as someone involved in the governance of this new competition when so much has been said questioning the integrity of those at the ARU.

Actually I would hope that it is irrelevant - but yes raising it is valid. Just I'd prefer it in context.

I hadn't heard of these guys either but it wasn't hard to dig up a little information.

Stu Taggart, Eugenie Buckley and Rod McQuade all have interesting CVs with sporting experience. Alker actually worked for the ARU as one of Pulver's new hopes - I'm presuming that didn't work out. Alker and Buckley both have women's sport on their CVs in among broader sporting expertise. A CV is not of course everything, not by a long shot, but it looks a good start.

In short it is a set of experience that stands out as NOT being - Banking, Public Administration, United Nations Bureaucracy etc, melded into a "Cooky Cutter Board". With the acknowledged Hartman heading up the Philanthropy business, the leadership team is rusted on rugby from the grass roots, and the operations team are sporting management specialists who include rugby in their CVs, but not exclusively so.

Any chance we can holus bolus swap out the entire ARU board for this lot?

 

[BLR]

Any chance we can holus bolus swap out the entire ARU board for this lot?

Hey, there is room for expansion in our fancy new rebel league.

 

[Warpath]

How long before the Late Packer's World Rugby Corporation makes a comeback?

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

If the ARU have foresight, they won't view this as a breakaway, but rather a new way to establish an Australian-based "domestic" or "national" competition.

They likely won't at least not publicly but yes, I agree. We need options and
surely it wouldn't hurt to sanction this competition as a means of developing those options.

 

[Dan54]

Presumably the same players for the Force in the Indo-Pacific tournament can play for the Spirit (or some other team) in the NRC as well. And anyone playing in the NRC would be eligible for selection, right?

Realistically, anyone playing in a second string comp will never be up to playing test rugby, and probably wouldn't be playing strong enough teams to even get picked. Let's be honest, I would put dollars on the fact that evry good Force player has an alternative team to play for lined up already.

 

[kiap]

The Packer fun … has sort of been done

 

[kiap]

anyone playing in a second string comp will never be up to playing test rugby.

Depends how much they're paying

 

[Killer]

Actually I would hope that it is irrelevant - but yes raising it is valid. Just I'd prefer it in context.

I hadn't heard of these guys either but it wasn't hard to dig up a little information.

Stu Taggart, Eugenie Buckley and Rod McQuade all have interesting CVs with sporting experience. Alker actually worked for the ARU as one of Pulver's new hopes - I'm presuming that didn't work out. Alker and Buckley both have women's sport on their CVs in among broader sporting expertise. A CV is not of course everything, not by a long shot, but it looks a good start.

In short it is a set of experience that stands out as NOT being - Banking, Public Administration, United Nations Bureaucracy etc, melded into a "Cooky Cutter Board". With the acknowledged Hartman heading up the Philanthropy business, the leadership team is rusted on rugby from the grass roots, and the operations team are sporting management specialists who include rugby in their CVs, but not exclusively so.

Any chance we can holus bolus swap out the entire ARU board for this lot?

Generally the exec's will parrot the head office's morals and expectations or leave.
A blind man can see Clyne has no integrity, imo, so those under him performed appropriately until they resigned, probably couldn't take it anymore.
Therefore if you assume TF has integrity which I believe he does in spades, the appointments will do also in most cases.

 

[dru]

Realistically, anyone playing in a second string comp will never be up to playing test rugby, and probably wouldn't be playing strong enough teams to even get picked. Let's be honest, I would put dollars on the fact that evry good Force player has an alternative team to play for lined up already.

Hard to call the Japan domestic comp as being equal to Super Rugby. This didn't stop Japan knocking over the Springboks at the RWC.

Still, at this stage it is not so much about how many Twiggy Rugby players get picked for the WBs. More that the CAN be picked for the WBs.

 

[Killer]

Realistically, anyone playing in a second string comp will never be up to playing test rugby, and probably wouldn't be playing strong enough teams to even get picked. Let's be honest, I would put dollars on the fact that evry good Force player has an alternative team to play for lined up already.

assuming super rugby survives, this may be the next great thing taking over the 2nd tier position.
TF is not in this to come second!

 

[Rugbynutter39]

Under the current eligibility rules you have to have a commitment with a Super Rugby side to be eligible for the Wallabies. NRC isn't enough.



Easy enough to make those changes though to what is a pretty arbitrary rule at the moment.



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Well I presume the Saffa's changed that rule for Kings and Cheetahs moved to Pro 12 so one would assume logic would prevail that we would do the same - unless we want to prove how dumb we are compared to the Saffa's to not ensure we come out better for cutting a Super Rugby team....

 

[Rugbynutter39]

Aside from Welborn, Stooke and Sinderberry I don't know anything about the other people.



I fully support Forrest giving Hartman a second chance. I agree he has paid the price for his crimes and realistically copped a pretty harsh sentence relative to some others in similar situations.



It's not invalid to raise his position as someone involved in the governance of this new competition when so much has been said questioning the integrity of those at the ARU.

The other people worth researching BH - Eugenie former CEO of Brisbane Roar and been Asian AFC consultant (read Asian Sports experience).

Rob Mcquade experienced sports consultant who organised Rugby World cups etc etc

Alter ex ARU head of operations.......


Not a bad little team put together.

 

[Braveheart81]

Well I presume the Saffa's changed that rule for Kings and Cheetahs moved to Pro 12 so one would assume logic would prevail that we would do the same - unless we want to prove how dumb we are compared to the Saffa's to not ensure we come out better for cutting a Super Rugby team..

South Africa has selected players from anywhere for a few years. There was no need to change their selection policy around the Pro 14 move.

 

[Rugbynutter39]

South Africa has selected players from anywhere for a few years. There was no need to change their selection policy around the Pro 14 move.

So hence why should we not do the same....or are we about just doing everything we can to shrink the game.


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[Braveheart81]

So hence why should we not do the same..or are we about just doing everything we can to shrink the game.

The current rule whereby we only select foreign based players who have played over 60 tests is unpopular enough.

Anyway, I can't imagine the ARU will jump to change the policy until they have some clarity on what the new competition is, when it will be played, and who is playing.

 

[kiap]

South Africa has selected players from anywhere for a few years. There was no need to change their selection policy around the Pro 14 move.

SARU added a contract clause last year stating Bok players had to be rested in October and then be free to tour in November. Essentially two months that they can't play in Europe or Japan. Knocked a lot of "anywhere" top-up stints on the head.

 

[Killer]

The current rule whereby we only select foreign based players who have played over 60 tests is unpopular enough.

Anyway, I can't imagine the ARU will jump to change the policy until they have some clarity on what the new competition is, when it will be played, and who is playing.

The ARU are going to lose big time, how can a organisation running at break even at best compete with a current dividend stream of 450m.
TF has every intention of making this comp pay its way, which will kill the ARU whether TF is trying to or not.
Edit:
don't forget he is including women's rugby and 7's, everyone will be getting on board.