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Wallabies vs Ireland - 3rd test - Saturday 23rd June 2018 - Sydney Football Stadium

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Rugbynutter39

Michael Lynagh (62)
I don't get why people are so anti-Cheika as if you look at Super Rugby performances we are clearly struggling yet at wallabies level we pushed the number 2 side in a great tussle. Not saying perfect but gees I thought wallabies were pretty solid and there was no player I would have given a rating below 5 for which is not been the case in past wallaby games.

Also as always the case I watched State of Origin game last night and only mungo ball I watch and commentators saying our first half one of great origin classics yet I find league so one dimensional personally in comparison to game like what we saw on Saturday night. ie I get a bit bored......
 

cyclopath

George Smith (75)
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I think the ref had both sides baffled, he was equally as f*cked for both sides

This continual stopping and waiting for the refs to forensically go through the general play tape, meh

We need balance, if they find something that is a YC, sure, but the rest - just let it go

Yeah, I don't think many people were claiming "we was robbed", but my comments (on Twitter, where I follow the game) were along the lines of the spectacle being ruined by the incessant stoppages and needless TMO interventions. I tipped Ireland to win narrowly pre-game, and was not surprised they did. They even did it in the manner I thought - being more composed and clinical.
But I completely agree that the officiating needs to be looked at to make the games more fluid and watchable. I mean 11mins of dead time in each half is obscene (each ran about 51mins by the clock).
 

Quick Hands

David Wilson (68)
Secondly, talking yet again about the adjudicating on Saturday night, the Oz rugby writer pointed out that the TMO virtually directed the Referee that time was up. The referee obeyed orders.


It looked to me as though the Referee was about to call for a lineout. Since when was the TMO the sole judge of time? That used to be the prerogative of the Referee<<<

The TMO is now out of control.
 

Derpus

George Gregan (70)
Yeah, I don't think many people were claiming "we was robbed", but my comments (on Twitter, where I follow the game) were along the lines of the spectacle being ruined by the incessant stoppages and needless TMO interventions. I tipped Ireland to win narrowly pre-game, and was not surprised they did. They even did it in the manner I thought - being more composed and clinical.
But I completely agree that the officiating needs to be looked at to make the games more fluid and watchable. I mean 11mins of dead time in each half is obscene (each ran about 51mins by the clock).
According to our Irish friends we must learn to embrace it, for the good of the game. That way we'll pack out 50,000 seaters every weekend, easy.
 

Quick Hands

David Wilson (68)
Yeah, I don't think many people were claiming "we was robbed", but my comments (on Twitter, where I follow the game) were along the lines of the spectacle being ruined by the incessant stoppages and needless TMO interventions. I tipped Ireland to win narrowly pre-game, and was not surprised they did. They even did it in the manner I thought - being more composed and clinical.
But I completely agree that the officiating needs to be looked at to make the games more fluid and watchable. I mean 11mins of dead time in each half is obscene (each ran about 51mins by the clock).

Ben Skeen is the most interventionist TMO in world rugby. He want to run every game in which he is involved.

I have no problem with the refereeing in the series - particularly the 3rd test. I accept that refs will miss stuff and sometimes will make a seemingly strange call based on their perspective from the position they are in. It's this constant stopping for ridiculous TMO reviews.

TMO should only be involved in the actual act of scoring and foul play involving a yellow or red card. One or two replays and if it's not chrystal clear, then go with the refs call for the try and leave the foul play for the citing commissioner.

I mean on Saturday, we had a very exciting game of rugby which went down to the final play and before the game ends everyone stands around for 2 or 3 minutes attempting to detect a knock on. And it would have been a traversty for the game of rugby if Australia had received a penalty and scored to win the game on a TMO call.
 

Derpus

George Gregan (70)
I mean on Saturday, we had a very exciting game of rugby which went down to the final play and before the game ends everyone stands around for 2 or 3 minutes attempting to detect a knock on. And it would have been a traversty for the game of rugby if Australia had received a penalty and scored to win the game on a TMO call.
Stockdale is extraordinarily lucky he missed the ball there, hey. As always, game of inches.
 

barbarian

Phil Kearns (64)
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Cyclo I think you being a bit harsh on Plastic, and he is correct up to point. I know there is moaning about refs on social media in any country (and I seen some doozys from NZ), but I do think he hit it on the head with the constant moaning at reffing by Chuckles, and I have posted on this here before, and I think it damages rugby as a brand in this country where he should be be trying to promote the game.


I hate it when Cheika moans about the refs. I have had many a rant on that exact subject - he's the boy who cried wolf on that issue.

However, I think he's been really good this series. I think he's stopped his 'constant moaning' and has learned to bite his tongue.

His comment about getting Gauzere to the presser was a throwaway line in answer to a specific question, and I think it's a logical enough thing to say.

If anything is currently damaging 'rugby as a brand' in this country it's the fucking TMO and his constant fucking interventions. If Cheika went on a 20 minute rant about THAT then he would have been given a standing ovation.
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fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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Yeah, I don't think many people were claiming "we was robbed", but my comments (on Twitter, where I follow the game) were along the lines of the spectacle being ruined by the incessant stoppages and needless TMO interventions. I tipped Ireland to win narrowly pre-game, and was not surprised they did. They even did it in the manner I thought - being more composed and clinical.
But I completely agree that the officiating needs to be looked at to make the games more fluid and watchable. I mean 11mins of dead time in each half is obscene (each ran about 51mins by the clock).


Yeah, there was a bees dick between these two over 3 matches and I don't think increasing the stop start nature helped the Wobs (or the viewing public's appreciation)
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
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Some takeaways from our night at the rugby.

1. Getting in was bad and then it got worse.

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This was the queue at our gate and then behind us with very little room within the fence of the stadium there are people trying to move in both directions trying to get to their respective gates. It got much worse once we got inside. The crush of people trying to move through the narrow concourses at the end of the ground was downright scary. Again people trying to move in both directions and then people trying to stand still in massive lines for toilets and drinks. It was a complete crush and this is the sort of scenario where something setting off panic etc. can lead to serious injuries and death. It doesn't need to be an actual emergency, just people believing that there is reason to try and rush.

This stadium needs to be rebuilt. It isn't close to being safe when there is a big crowd there.

Onto the rugby.

2. That was an incredibly physical and willing test match where both sides defended superbly. It was a tense decider in what has been the best three match series we've had in Australia in as long as I can remember. Well done to both sides.

3. Pocock was our best player out there in my opinion and played an excellent series. I find it interesting that there haven't been any comments complaining about his inability to deal with the referee. Every close decision went against the Wallabies and Pocock was powerless to do anything. Maybe Hooper isn't as bad at that as people claim him to be?

4. Tui was the addition our backrow needed. He had a strong game and I think we will see Pocock at 8, Hooper at 7 and Tui at 6 with Samu on the bench moving forward. Timu didn't do a lot wrong but he hasn't had the impact he needed.

5. Phipps had close to his best starting test I've seen. He is clearly a step down from Genia but he played well, he makes crucial tackles and his speed to the breakdown is a vital asset.

6. Latu was excellent and his low tackle on Kearney (I think) and then winning a penalty at the next breakdown was a brilliant piece of play that could have turned the match. He is very unlucky to be penalised late in the game to give Ireland a 4 point advantage. I thought he should have clearly won the penalty there. He should have started this game and should be the backup for TPN in the Rugby Championship.

7. As many have said, the TMO is being overused to be point of ridiculousness. They need to put the ref calls that you can hear through ref's ears over the PA system when those breaks are going on. It is crazy having 99% of the crowd not knowing what is happening for protracted periods.

I disagree with Folau's yellow card but his hands did contact the Irish player in the air after the contest for the balland that puts him at risk of being on the wrong side of the decision. Players being lifted by a single player are repeatedly getting hurt in aerial challenges though. This is a problem. We have seen many times where players being lifted by a single player are almost dropped on their head when there is no one competing with them for the ball.

The Coleman TMO review was ridiculous. It was already a penalty to Ireland and the first replay showed that Coleman had wrapped him arm, not dived off his feet and not made high contact with the Irish player. At that instant you knew it wasn't a card offence so why keep reviewing? It was already a penalty in the exact same spot?

8. All in all I think the Wallabies are a team on the up. Ireland really brought it this series and the Wallabies matched them across three tests and just couldn't get the job done. The challenge over the next year is to get better from here and be good enough to win these close tests against top sides more than we lose them. This year shapes as our best chance at winning the Bledisloe Cup in a long time.
 

Brumby Runner

David Wilson (68)
Nabuli has never played for the Waratahs. Went from league to the Reds.

The reference to Nabuli was a mistake by me. Nadolo on the other hand left the Tahs unwanted, returned to star for the Crusaders and selected for the Fiji national side.
 

Brumby Runner

David Wilson (68)
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Ok Cyclo, fair enough, I just think it fairly similar with what happened yesterday I thought Folau genuinely jumped for ball (well we all know he did), but as he missed his arm came down and dragged player down that was really too high by his legs which I think happens often in lineouts. Anyway I was probably digressing from yesterday incident anyway. I really think it needs to be cleared up, we all think it pretty unfair (even though ref is correct)with the outcome.
Though if you go to Irish site there is a lot of call for Red card, but we all know most of these things depend on your side of the fence.

Under the current law interpretations, I think Izzy is in for a lengthy spell on the sideline. If the incident being reviewed is the one where O'Mahony went off injured, then Izzy is at fault for grabbing the player in the air around his waist with his left hand. The contact on the player's arm is a furphy imo. It is the contact with the body that propels him away from the lifter, and will likely earn a suspension.
 

wamberal

Phil Kearns (64)
Some takeaways from our night at the rugby.

1. Getting in was bad and then it got worse.



This was the queue at our gate and then behind us with very little room within the fence of the stadium there are people trying to move in both directions trying to get to their respective gates. It got much worse once we got inside. The crush of people trying to move through the narrow concourses at the end of the ground was downright scary.


I have been involved in this sort of issue, if it is as bad as this, somebody's head needs to roll. In a situation like this even a small unexpected event can cause a panic, the effects cascade and people get crushed, and there can be serious casualties.
This year shapes as our best chance at winning the Bledisloe Cup in a long time.


Only one game here. One in New Zealand, and one in Japan.


If we pick the right squad, have no injury problems, Foley kicks his goals, we defend out of our skins, and dominate the tight play, maybe. It would also be a great help if Retallick and Read are still out.
 

Strewthcobber

Andrew Slack (58)
Under the current law interpretations, I think Izzy is in for a lengthy spell on the sideline. If the incident being reviewed is the one where O'Mahony went off injured, then Izzy is at fault for grabbing the player in the air around his waist with his left hand. The contact on the player's arm is a furphy imo. It is the contact with the body that propels him away from the lifter, and will likely earn a suspension.
He's been cited for the 9th minute challenge which resulted in POM landing on his head.

The first kickoff wasn't great either, but POM landed on his back then too. Izzy was pretty lucky they diidn't go forensic on the two earlier challanges
 

Brumby Runner

David Wilson (68)
Novel idea to save rugby. Make it less entertaining.

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Think you're being a bit disingenuous there D, but maybe deliberately so. Suggesting the Super Rugby competition needs to be reworked doesn't necessarily mean introducing a NH style slog fest. I think K's main point is that all games need to be serious contests where the result has more meaning than with the present setup. The first thing that could be done, but wasn't by SANZAAR, would have been to get rid of the conferences and make all finals positions dependent on overall points on the log. That would take out the temptation to only win your own intra-conference games in order to qualify. Every result in every game would then be decisive.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
Staff member
Some takeaways from our night at the rugby.

1. Getting in was bad and then it got worse.

DgYSC-mUEAEyQZr.jpg:large


This was the queue at our gate and then behind us with very little room within the fence of the stadium there are people trying to move in both directions trying to get to their respective gates. It got much worse once we got inside. The crush of people trying to move through the narrow concourses at the end of the ground was downright scary. Again people trying to move in both directions and then people trying to stand still in massive lines for toilets and drinks. It was a complete crush and this is the sort of scenario where something setting off panic etc. can lead to serious injuries and death. It doesn't need to be an actual emergency, just people believing that there is reason to try and rush.

This stadium needs to be rebuilt. It isn't close to being safe when there is a big crowd there.


It is also a fire/safety trap, it has structural issues that can not be fixed
 

Derpus

George Gregan (70)
He's been cited for the 9th minute challenge which resulted in POM landing on his head.

The first kickoff wasn't great either, but POM landed on his back then too. Izzy was pretty lucky they diidn't go forensic on the two earlier challanges
I don't think in either of those challenges he tackled the player though? He was a) in a realistic position to catch the ball and b) playing the ball not the man.

If you don't want to get hurt, maybe don't get your team mate to fling you two metres into the air, directly into the path of a full flight Israel Folau?
 

wamberal

Phil Kearns (64)
Izzy was a bit clumsy coming down, but surely the point is that he was up a long way, competing for the ball with another player who was also up a long way, and at the end of another players extended arms.


You would need an overhead camera to discern exactly what happened and why. Get a decent SC who understands our game, and also AFL, onto the case.
 
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