Where to for Super Rugby?

[Rebel man]

They’ve actually applied to be recognised for recognition by the organisation which outlines this criteria, and it will be approved. That is the first hurdle.

Honestly League 9s is a legitimate chance of been included at the Brisbane Olympics, the single biggest thing to compete this will be the similarities and recognition of Rugby 7s. That’s something which needs to be reinforced and driven home.

They have been trying to be recognised for years and have had no success. Nines will not be at the Olympics it’s got about as much chance as the AFL. They need to prove it’s an international sport and it isn’t, cricket has had its Olympic application stalled as it needs to demonstrate it’s an international sport outside of the 12 full member nations

 

[hoggy]

They have been trying to be recognised for years and have had no success. Nines will not be at the Olympics it’s got about as much chance as the AFL. They need to prove it’s an international sport and it isn’t, cricket has had its Olympic application stalled as it needs to demonstrate it’s an international sport outside of the 12 full member nations

Its not that far fetched. 13's League, yes not a chance. But we are talking Brisbane hosting and commercial realities, league has political sway in NSW & QLD. So maybe 9's or Aus tag could potentially be promoted as an exibition sport.

Similar to 7,s a three day tournament during the Olympics could be a potential money spinner. That could go a long way to justifying its inclusion and it helps the QLD gov justifying the cost of the games, a feel good story for a strong local sport with International appeal.

In fact the more I think about it. Just imagine a 3 day sevens tournament followed by a 3 day 9's league tournament. You would pack out Suncorp for 6 days in a row, and just the local TV ratings would make it appealing.
The cost of hosting the Olympics have to be justified, so yes not so far fetched.

 

[Adam84]

They have been trying to be recognised for years and have had no success. Nines will not be at the Olympics it’s got about as much chance as the AFL. They need to prove it’s an international sport and it isn’t, cricket has had its Olympic application stalled as it needs to demonstrate it’s an international sport outside of the 12 full member nations

AFL and League are vastly different scenarios.

Cricket is actually gaining some serious traction for the T20 to be included at the 2028 Olympics, biggest obstacle has always been duration of the games/scheduling and politics, and opposition from the Indian and England Cricket boards as it diminishes the $value and income derived from the Cricket World Cup. T20 solves a lot of this. League governing bodies aren't opposed at all.

In either case we can dismiss the threat, but the truth is league is spending a lot of money in the pacific, and arguably how they handle the national teams and test representation for those countries is far better then Rugby. Just look at the difference in Tongan support at the league games in New Zealand as opposed to the union test matches.

 

[Rugbynutter39]

Wilson i was replying to the comment directly above i didn’t realise it was required to be related to the Olympics.

However to address the comment, i disagree that the expansion of Rugby league in the pacific isn’t related to the Olympics, or more specifically the NRL trying to get league represented as the Olympics for 2032. NRL completely understands that having league at the Olympics would be an adrenaline hit like no other, for that to occur League needs to demonstrate that it has global representation, that it’s a growth sport and that it’s relevant to the market.

TLDR; Growth of league in the Pacific region will add significant credibility to pushing League 9’s as a proposed Olympic sport.

Correct hence the ongoing threat...of league

 

[Rugbynutter39]

AFL and League are vastly different scenarios.

Cricket is actually gaining some serious traction for the T20 to be included at the 2028 Olympics, biggest obstacle has always been duration of the games/scheduling and politics, and opposition from the Indian and England Cricket boards as it diminishes the $value and income derived from the Cricket World Cup. T20 solves a lot of this. League governing bodies aren't opposed at all.

In either case we can dismiss the threat, but the truth is league is spending a lot of money in the pacific, and arguably how they handle the national teams and test representation for those countries is far better then Rugby. Just look at the difference in Tongan support at the league games in New Zealand as opposed to the union test matches.

Yep and yet those who scoff at threat of league ignore the significant inroads league made across Asia pacific

 

[Rebel man]

AFL and League are vastly different scenarios.

Cricket is actually gaining some serious traction for the T20 to be included at the 2028 Olympics, biggest obstacle has always been duration of the games/scheduling and politics, and opposition from the Indian and England Cricket boards as it diminishes the $value and income derived from the Cricket World Cup. T20 solves a lot of this. League governing bodies aren't opposed at all.

In either case we can dismiss the threat, but the truth is league is spending a lot of money in the pacific, and arguably how they handle the national teams and test representation for those countries is far better then Rugby. Just look at the difference in Tongan support at the league games in New Zealand as opposed to the union test matches.

League has two pro leagues to Aussie rules one. League is also not even officially a sport.


Yes with cricket the IOC has finally accepted it and now they are just trying to get the BCCI on board but it took them ages to even get that far. There are professional cricket leagues in close to 20 nations with there being 30 plus nations that have full time contracted National team players. It has a strong men’s and women’s comp something the IOC will take into account.

If you look at rugby 7s the female participation was key to inclusion. The NRL does not have that, they are already talking about the women’s game completely dying in the UK due to the World Cup drama. The NRL 9’s has had one ever international tournament it will never make it into the Olympics

 

[Rebel man]

Its not that far fetched. 13's League, yes not a chance. But we are talking Brisbane hosting and commercial realities, league has political sway in NSW & QLD. So maybe 9's or Aus tag could potentially be promoted as an exibition sport.

Similar to 7,s a three day tournament during the Olympics could be a potential money spinner. That could go a long way to justifying its inclusion and it helps the QLD gov justifying the cost of the games, a feel good story for a strong local sport with International appeal.

In fact the more I think about it. Just imagine a 3 day sevens tournament followed by a 3 day 9's league tournament. You would pack out Suncorp for 6 days in a row, and just the local TV ratings would make it appealing.
The cost of hosting the Olympics have to be justified, so yes not so far fetched.

Demonstration sports are a thing of the past.

The commercial realities are the Olympics are a world event they aren’t adding league because it’s in a city that gets average crowds and a strong TV viewership for a domestic sport

 

[Adam84]

League has two pro leagues to Aussie rules one. League is also not even officially a sport.


Yes with cricket the IOC has finally accepted it and now they are just trying to get the BCCI on board but it took them ages to even get that far. There are professional cricket leagues in close to 20 nations with there being 30 plus nations that have full time contracted National team players. It has a strong men’s and women’s comp something the IOC will take into account.

If you look at rugby 7s the female participation was key to inclusion. The NRL does not have that, they are already talking about the women’s game completely dying in the UK due to the World Cup drama. The NRL 9’s has had one ever international tournament it will never make it into the Olympics

Like I mentioned they are going through the process with the international body now to be recognised, prior to an Olympic submission there had never really been a requirements.

 

[Adam84]

Demonstration sports are a thing of the past.

The commercial realities are the Olympics are a world event they aren’t adding league because it’s in a city that gets average crowds and a strong TV viewership for a domestic sport

Demonstrations sports are a thing of the past, instead the IOC is showing greater flexibility to admitting emerging sports and removing old ones.. host city gets a lot of political sway when it comes to the sports hosted, as they’re the ones building the facilities and who will get the return on ticket sales. It’s absolutely relevant.

 

[Rebel man]

Like I mentioned they are going through the process with the international body now to be recognised, prior to an Olympic submission there had never really been a requirements.

There has been a need as they can’t get insurance for anyone to play sport in any new nations. That has always kept it as a club sport, they have failed on previous submission to get recognised and on top of that there are so many other obstacles to over come. It won’t happen. They are just pushing for it as they are threatened by Rugby having the World Cup and Olympics within 5 years

 

[Rebel man]

Demonstrations sports are a thing of the past, instead the IOC is showing greater flexibility to admitting emerging sports and removing old ones.. host city gets a lot of political sway when it comes to the sports hosted, as they’re the ones building the facilities and who will get the return on ticket sales. It’s absolutely relevant.

No it is not relevant that they get 15k to an NRL game in Brisbane. It’s an international event, it’s going to be a ratings success in Australia and they aren’t going to push for a version of league nobody cares about to boost ratings. It’s pipe dream stuff that will never happen

 

[Adam84]

There has been a need as they can’t get insurance for anyone to play sport in any new nations. That has always kept it as a club sport, they have failed on previous submission to get recognised and on top of that there are so many other obstacles to over come. It won’t happen. They are just pushing for it as they are threatened by Rugby having the World Cup and Olympics within 5 years

I just think you’re being wilful optimistic to assume rugby league won’t be recognised as an official sport by the international body. There’s plenty of sports with less playing numbers and less international exposure that are already recognised.

 

[Adam84]

No it is not relevant that they get 15k to an NRL game in Brisbane. It’s an international event, it’s going to be a ratings success in Australia and they aren’t going to push for a version of league nobody cares about to boost ratings. It’s pipe dream stuff that will never happen

Ok you’re now twisting what I have said. Let’s agree to disagree

 

[KOB1987]

I've enjoyed reading this discussion, notwithstanding it has nothing to do with the thread title.

League has somewhere between 0 and 0.01% of a chance being included in the Olympics in my lifetime. That's a separate argument to the threat to rugby in the PIs, that one is a valid argument.

 

[Rebel man]

I just think you’re being wilful optimistic to assume rugby league won’t be recognised as an official sport by the international body. There’s plenty of sports with less playing numbers and less international exposure that are already recognised.

They failed at their last attempt as they have been knocked back multiple times, what has changed? Also if like the rugby league delegation claim that World Rugby has used their influence to block them that’s an issue they are going to have to overcome again two fold.

I enjoy watching the NRL but being realistic they are a snowball’s chance in hell of making the Olympics

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[Adam84]

I've enjoyed reading this discussion, notwithstanding it has nothing to do with the thread title.

League has somewhere between 0 and 0.01% of a chance being included in the Olympics in my lifetime. That's a separate argument to the threat to rugby in the PIs, that one is a valid argument.

Yes and that was my original point, irregardless of whether they get admitted or not, league will use expansion and growth of league in the pacific as a mechanism to justify inclusion, this comes with money and resources and is a real threat to rugby in the region.

 

[Rebel man]

Yes and that was my original point, irregardless of whether they get admitted or not, league will use expansion and growth of league in the pacific as a mechanism to justify inclusion, this comes with money and resources and is a real threat to rugby in the region.

Look Tonga is doing well currently in international League but that’s predominantly with players who were born outside of Tonga. League should look to cement its self with a permanent presence in PNG it’s already League mad 8/9million there would be a no brainer to expand into that market

 

[Dismal Pillock]

"I'm sure the server upgrade will catch up in a
minute and reinstall the missing 20 pages of the
'Where To For Super Rugby?' thread....."

 

[Adam84]

"I'm sure the server upgrade will catch up in a
minute and reinstall the missing 20 pages of the
'Where To For Super Rugby?' thread..."

I‘lll summarise the missing 20 pages:

Australian Fans: ”We want a domestic competition where our teams are competitive”
Kiwi Fans: “You don‘t know what you want, this is what you want, LMAO”

-repeat-

 

[Dan54]

AFL and League are vastly different scenarios.


In either case we can dismiss the threat, but the truth is league is spending a lot of money in the pacific, and arguably how they handle the national teams and test representation for those countries is far better then Rugby. Just look at the difference in Tongan support at the league games in New Zealand as opposed to the union test matches.

Yep bang on Adam, it doesn't take much to see that league have targeted PIs. Guess we need to get more games etc played there to promote the game in that region.