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The_Brown_Hornet

The_Brown_Hornet

John Eales (66)
waiopehu oldboy said:

Who contracted Covid-19 [in NZ] in the last two weeks?​

Based on the cases in the last fortnight, unvaccinated people are 10 times more likely to get Covid-19 than people who have received two doses, and 20 times more likely to be hospitalised.
Vaccination statusNumber of peopleTotal casesHospitalised casesTotal cases per millionHospitalised cases per million
Fully vaccinated2,980,1633279110
110		3
3
One dose only663,17438719584
584		29
29
Unvaccinated720,243767441065
1065		61
61
Not eligible765,0203796495
495		8
8

"Not eligible" being the under-12's. I'd imagine Australia's numbers would be similar?
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That's one of the better sets of stats I've seen for vaxxed vs unvaxxed. The numbers speak for themselves really. Get vaxxed and you have much less chance of infection and an incredibly low probability of requiring hospital treatment. This seems to be the experience of most countries.
 
formerflanker

formerflanker

Ken Catchpole (46)
The_Brown_Hornet said:
That's one of the better sets of stats I've seen for vaxxed vs unvaxxed. The numbers speak for themselves really. Get vaxxed and you have much less chance of infection and an incredibly low probability of requiring hospital treatment. This seems to be the experience of most countries.
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Therefore you make a decision about what's best for you. Get vaxxed to minimise your own chances of getting covid and suffering from it.
My point still stands though - mandating vaccines for everybody is not necessary.

Covid-19 is not a death sentence. In Australia it has a case fatality rate of just over 1%, meaning that the vast majority of those who test positive will not die. Covid-19 is a virus that poses risks specifically to the elderly and those with existing comorbidities, and extremely negligible risk to those below 60. The vast majority of those who have died with Covid-19 in Australia are over 80 years old and have pre-existing illnesses.
Sensible precautions should be directed towards minimising the risks to those in the at-risk categories. If others outside of those at risk categories also wish to engage in the same precautions then they should be free to do so. Otherwise, Australians should be free to go about their lives without the significant burden of extreme wide-ranging restrictions.
(h/t The Spectator, 8th November)

To summarise - The vast majority of Covid-19 cases recover from the disease without clinical intervention. Hence we should especially be free to decide whether or not to receive a Covid-19 vaccination without coercion or the threat of being stripped of our jobs and ability to earn a livelihood for ourselves and our families.
 
The_Brown_Hornet

The_Brown_Hornet

John Eales (66)
Don't get me wrong, I'm against vaccine mandates in all but the most critical of areas (aged care and medical staff mainly). That said, the common sense view must surely be to get the jab?
 
formerflanker

formerflanker

Ken Catchpole (46)
boyo said:
The Singapore government is not dicking around

People ‘unvaccinated by choice’ in Singapore no longer can receive free covid-19 treatment​


Inevitable pile-in by FF (Folau Fainga'a)/antivaxers
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On the other hand, Sweden maintained some semblance of normality. The citizens generally didn’t have to wear face masks; young children continued going to school; leisure activities were largely allowed to continue unhindered. After early setbacks, one by one, the death tolls in countries that had locked down began to surpass Sweden’s. Today, more than 50 countries have a higher death rate.

All I know for sure is that we are in the middle of the worlds largest experiment in public health.
 
cyclopath

cyclopath

George Smith (75)
Staff member
formerflanker said:
On the other hand, Sweden maintained some semblance of normality. The citizens generally didn’t have to wear face masks; young children continued going to school; leisure activities were largely allowed to continue unhindered. After early setbacks, one by one, the death tolls in countries that had locked down began to surpass Sweden’s. Today, more than 50 countries have a higher death rate.

All I know for sure is that we are in the middle of the worlds largest experiment in public health.
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Sweden with 10 million pop'n, 1.18 million cases - case rate 115783 / million and 15000 deaths, deaths 1476 / million
Aus with 26 million pop'n, 184000 cases - case rate 7108 / million and 1858 deaths, deaths 26 / million.

Pretty sure which "experiment" I prefer.
 
tragic

tragic

John Solomon (38)
Bravo Singapore

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waiopehu oldboy

waiopehu oldboy

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Covid Response Minister Hipkins yesterday stated the rather obvious fact that once Auckland comes out of lockdown in late November it's inevitable that Covid will spread to all parts of the country. In about three or four weeks I reckon at least some of the people currently demanding their "freedom" will instead be demanding that Auckland be re-quarantined which obviously ain't gunna happen, it's now politically un-doable & I'm not 100% sure they can even keep Auckland in lockdown for another two or three weeks anyway.
 
Tex

Tex

Greg Davis (50)
Suggest you look to the Sydney experience and take heart. High vaccine coverage has meant case numbers receding despite social distance rules relaxing. Melbourne keeps fluctuating but with 1st dose coverage now +90%, there's a fairly positive future ahead.
 
Dctarget

Dctarget

John Eales (66)
Tex said:
Suggest you look to the Sydney experience and take heart. High vaccine coverage has meant case numbers receding despite social distance rules relaxing. Melbourne keeps fluctuating but with 1st dose coverage now +90%, there's a fairly positive future ahead.
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me thinks this absolutely miserable weather of late in Melbourne will cause a minor wave in case numbers.
 
waiopehu oldboy

waiopehu oldboy

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Tex said:
Suggest you look to the Sydney experience and take heart. High vaccine coverage has meant case numbers receding despite social distance rules relaxing. Melbourne keeps fluctuating but with 1st dose coverage now +90%, there's a fairly positive future ahead.
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NZ has 20 District Health Boards. Each of the three serving Auckland has a first-dose rate of over 90% & by late November two will have a second-dose rate of 90% & the other will be so close that it'll be impossible to not open Auckland up. The other main centres are also on track to hit 85-90% by that time.

The problem is there's at least five & as many as seven DHB's who'll struggle to hit 75% double-dosed by late November & I reckon the only way some of them ever will is when there's an outbreak in their particular neck of the woods. Most of those areas have tiny populations & just don't have the medical infrastructure to cope. It's going to get ugly.
 
Dctarget

Dctarget

John Eales (66)
waiopehu oldboy said:
NZ has 20 District Health Boards. Each of the three serving Auckland has a first-dose rate of over 90% & by late November two will have a second-dose rate of 90% & the other will be so close that it'll be impossible to not open Auckland up. The other main centres are also on track to hit 85-90% by that time.

The problem is there's at least five & as many as seven DHB's who'll struggle to hit 75% double-dosed by late November & I reckon the only way some of them ever will is when there's an outbreak in their particular neck of the woods. Most of those areas have tiny populations & just don't have the medical infrastructure to cope. It's going to get ugly.
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Is Auckland not still in lockdown is it? I thought your vax rates were similar to Aus? You must be clamouring to get out.
 
The_Brown_Hornet

The_Brown_Hornet

John Eales (66)
Tex said:
Suggest you look to the Sydney experience and take heart. High vaccine coverage has meant case numbers receding despite social distance rules relaxing. Melbourne keeps fluctuating but with 1st dose coverage now +90%, there's a fairly positive future ahead.
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You'd think that Sydney and Melbourne have broken the back of the problem and that normality has either returned or well on the way. I have to say good on Sydneysiders who have burned rubber to get vaxxed. They are well ahead of some other cities around the world who've been at it for longer.
 
waiopehu oldboy

waiopehu oldboy

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Dctarget said:
Is Auckland not still in lockdown is it? I thought your vax rates were similar to Aus? You must be clamouring to get out.
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Auckland (& Hamilton where I live) are in Level 3.2 which means that pretty much everything but hospitality, gyms & hairdressers are open, Year 7 & above kids are back at school, outdoor gatherings of up to 25 from multiple households are OK. But you need a permit (& a negative Covid test) to get past the checkpoints coming out of Auckland.

Hamilton only went to 3.2 in the last fortnight & Auckland only on Tuesday night so, yeah, there's a fair bit of "let me the fuck outta here" sentiment around.

In terms of vax rates Auckland is edging toward 95% first-dose & high 80's second-dose, as a whole we're * just a few thousand short of 90% first & mid-80's for second doses. But as above it's a lot less in the remote areas which tend to be higher-decile socioeconomically speaking & also have a higher % of Maori who have high rates of all the co-morbidity factors.

* Edit "were" not "we're": latest NZ-wide stats are 15K off 90% first-dose & just over 80% both doses.
 
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formerflanker

formerflanker

Ken Catchpole (46)
cyclopath said:
Sweden with 10 million pop'n, 1.18 million cases - case rate 115783 / million and 15000 deaths, deaths 1476 / million
Aus with 26 million pop'n, 184000 cases - case rate 7108 / million and 1858 deaths, deaths 26 / million.

Pretty sure which "experiment" I prefer.
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You are also lucky to be living in an island continent. It was much easier to stop transmissions from other countries.
Sweden of course shares a border with two countries and a bridge to a third.
It's also a lot colder there and our sunshine is beneficial in the control of covid.

Preferring to live in a dictatorial country over one with much more freedom for its citizens is your call, but don't expect everyone to agree with you.
 
boyo

boyo

Mark Ella (57)
formerflanker said:
On the other hand, Sweden maintained some semblance of normality. The citizens generally didn’t have to wear face masks; young children continued going to school; leisure activities were largely allowed to continue unhindered. After early setbacks, one by one, the death tolls in countries that had locked down began to surpass Sweden’s. Today, more than 50 countries have a higher death rate.

All I know for sure is that we are in the middle of the worlds largest experiment in public health.
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Predictable
 
boyo

boyo

Mark Ella (57)
boyo said:
The Singapore government is not dicking around

People ‘unvaccinated by choice’ in Singapore no longer can receive free covid-19 treatment​


Inevitable pile-in by FF (Folau Fainga'a)/antivaxers
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And Austria imposes lockdown on numpties

 
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