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Sydney Subbies 2022

WoodyWoodsman

Sydney Middleton (9)
Hearing very strong rumours that one club, that features prominently here, are not being perturbed by the recent spate of penalties against players and clubs for dual registrations/personalities. They previous changed the spelling of a players name to allow him to play, knowing he was registered elsewhere. And could have more players in the same/similar boats.
I bet this one doesn't make it to the Thursday list.
 

Uzi1989

Stan Wickham (3)
Hearing very strong rumours that one club, that features prominently here, are not being perturbed by the recent spate of penalties against players and clubs for dual registrations/personalities. They previous changed the spelling of a players name to allow him to play, knowing he was registered elsewhere. And could have more players in the same/similar boats.
I bet this one doesn't make it to the Thursday list.
My goodness why do some teams feel the need to do that?
 

Uzi1989

Stan Wickham (3)
Division 5 wow can anyone or thing stop Menai 85 points today and division 4 Sydney harbour getting 86 points wow
 
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Pfitzy

George Gregan (70)
Division 5 wow can anyone or thing stop Menai 85 points today and division 4 Sydney harbour getting 86 points wow

Played Menai a couple of times in 2018. Big, strong, fast. A few league guys I think, so while their scrum wasn't much to look at ;) they can score from anywhere so it doesn't matter. Will take some stopping - tho they've had some close ones.

R1 - 33-24 v Burraneer
R5 - 20-13 v North Cronulla
R7 - 15-7 v Irish
R9 - 17-12 v Burraneer

Maybe Sydney Irish can strangle them with a good possession/territoy game?
 

Pfitzy

George Gregan (70)
division 4 Sydney harbour getting 86 points wow

Harbour are a good side - and usually they've got a fresh bench to finish things off, as their "2nd Grade" being Easts guys don't back up for them directly, as I understand it. So when I talk about Harbour, I'm really just talking about their First Grade.

They have dealt fairly easily with everyone in Div 4-6 (only loss is to Redfield last year by a point), and their player quality is more like Div 2 IMHO.

Yet if they're not going to have more than 2 of their own teams, and a Colts cohort, it is a question of where they sit in Subbies land.

Just winning the trophy every year is great, but what is the long-term plan?
 

Uzi1989

Stan Wickham (3)
Played Menai a couple of times in 2018. Big, strong, fast. A few league guys I think, so while their scrum wasn't much to look at ;) they can score from anywhere so it doesn't matter. Will take some stopping - tho they've had some close ones.

R1 - 33-24 v Burraneer
R5 - 20-13 v North Cronulla
R7 - 15-7 v Irish
R9 - 17-12 v Burraneer

Maybe Sydney Irish can strangle them with a good possession/territoy game?
Them burraneer and sealices can everyone else not sure about
 
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WoodyWoodsman

Sydney Middleton (9)
Hearing very strong rumours that one club, that features prominently here, are not being perturbed by the recent spate of penalties against players and clubs for dual registrations/personalities. They previous changed the spelling of a players name to allow him to play, knowing he was registered elsewhere. And could have more players in the same/similar boats.
I bet this one doesn't make it to the Thursday list.
Updated teamlists... Let's hope the player was released from their other club.... Not sure why you'd change the name then.
 

Pfitzy

George Gregan (70)
Them burraneer and sealices can everyone else not sure about

Yeah Wakehurst had a bit of a stumble against the Lice down at Forshaw #2 on Saturday, having beaten them in Round 1 at Wakehurst. Home ground advantage I suppose - it is a long trip between the north and south! Wakehurst narrowly knocked off the Hammerheads (Burraneer) down at AR Hurst so they're no mugs for travel.

I'm not sure if 5th Div is having a Top 4 or Top 6 at this point? Originally they were 12 clubs, then 11, then 10 in preseason.

Brothers have 2 games in hand, so the table is skewed a little by that. With no wet weather weeks left, they're scheduled as follows:
Brothers v Kings OB - Roseville Chase, 20/07 KO 1930
Sea Lice v Brothers - Forshaw #1, 27/07 KO 1930

This is what it looks like right now with 10 played and 2 rounds to go:
1 Menai 47 (10W) - Home v Balmain (8), Home v Dukes (10) - probably good for the minor premiership, based on a likely 10 points at home.

2 Irish 44 (9W) - Away v Lice (4), Home v Wakehurst (3) - Irish are a good side and can take out Menai in the finals with their structured approach I reckon.

3 Wakehurst 35 (7W) - Home v Brothers (5), Away v Irish (2) - interesting couple of games. They've beaten Lice and Hammerheads but also lost big to Lice on the return leg, getting within 8 of Irish. A win against Brothers would help a lot.

4 Sea Lice 31 (6W) - Home v Irish (2), Home WW v Brothers (6), Away v Oatley (9) - would back them to beat Oatley and probably Brothers in the night game. Irish is a 50/50 after they were leading the R2 game against the men in green but conceded 10 points.

5 Burraneer 30 (5W) - Home v Kings OB (7), Away v Brothers (6) only 5 wins for the Hammerheads but collected TEN bonus points during the year, so they're close and scoring tries. Think they'll stay roughly in 5th?

Bit of a drop from 5th to 6th here, noting against that Brothers have 2 in hand and therefore *could* be closer.

6 Brothers 19 (4W) - Home WW v Kings OB (7), Away v Wakehurst (3), Away WW v Sea Lice (4), Home v Burraneer (5). That is a bloody tough ask - 4 games in 2 weeks against 3 of the top 5 and the team a game back on the table. Beat Kings and they push away from them to retain 6th I reckon.

7 Kings OB 14 (2W) - Away WW v Brothers (6), Away v Burraneer (5), Home v Balmain (8). Only 2 from 8 this year and unlikely to improve on 7th.

8 Balmain 11 (2W) - Away v Menai (1), Away v Kings OB (7) - will be aiming to beat Kings and will do their best against Menai, but jeez that is a mountain to climb...

9 Oatley 11 (2W) - Away v Dukes (10), Home vSea Lice (4) - they win that game against Dukes and they put themselves in the frame for 7th.

10 Dukes 4 (1W) - Home v Oatley (9), Away v Menai (1) - top and tails to finish! Tough year at Booralee with the 1 close win against Balmain in R6 and a big loss against them too in R1. A win against Oatley won't get them off the bottom of the table, but it would be something to celebrate before the big trip to Menai.

Overall I don't think the table order will change much. Sea Lice and Burraneer have a chance to push Wakehurst into 5th which means something if it is Top 4. If it is Top 6, well the change in order won't mean much?
 

WoodyWoodsman

Sydney Middleton (9)
Is the club in question in contention for finals? Would be good to know who.
They believe that they are, depending on whether the finals are a top 4 or top 6. It will be interesting to see if any of it is picked up.
The first player in question hasn’t played more than the one game.
The second player - well, it’s yet to be seen.
 

Pfitzy

George Gregan (70)
Very late change to Lapstone may impact Mosman’s numbers.

Strong showing regardless, with good wins in Kentwell, Thirds and Fifths (big win there actually), and narrow losses in 2s and Colts.

The prediction above about BM's Fourth Grade bore out tho. Solid win at 31-zip.

Had a quick look at the start of First Grade and the track looked quite heavy, with centre particularly damaged. Surface water gone at least.
 
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Eastcoast

Ted Fahey (11)
Horrid day out at Latham Park for the boys. I agree with Pfitzy - The plastic isnt a surface for Rugby. Waverley are strong across the grades and deserving of the wins. Hard to get past them come finals time.
A few other results from the weekend were as expected - Colleagues and Mosman too good
Drummoyne putting their WAGS turmoil aside to take a huge scalp. This will end the coach rumour surely.
Pats tried to lose another game that was unloseable, although Forest just didnt want to take it. Just a whole lot of slop in that game.
 

The Wombat

Allen Oxlade (6)
Strong showing regardless, with good wins in Kentwell, Thirds and Fifths (big win there actually), and narrow losses in 2s and Colts.

The prediction above about BM's Fourth Grade bore out tho. Solid win at 31-zip.

Had a quick look at the start of First Grade and the track looked quite heavy, with centre particularly damaged. Surface water gone at least.
BM are a strong club and great hosts. Their 4s are a good side. Mosman weren’t sharp at all, gifting BM two intercept tries and tries off kick restarts.

Pitch had definitely seen better days. Made Mosman Council’s decision to close Rawson all the more frustrating with it looking great at the moment.
 

Pfitzy

George Gregan (70)
The plastic isnt a surface for Rugby

Don't like playing on it, refereeing on it, or even running water on it. Last year I ran touch for the womens 7s and the heat coming off the deck was sapping. Getting tackled on it was rubbish, and a few of our players got infections from it.
 

Pfitzy

George Gregan (70)
Pitch had definitely seen better days. Made Mosman Council’s decision to close Rawson all the more frustrating with it looking great at the moment.

Particularly as showers are forecast through the week, so it will be more risky for damage this Saturday than last :(

I refereed at Lindfield on the weekend and Old Soldiers was OK in patches but that cricket pitch was a lottery. Up at Hassall Park playing St Ives it actually held up pretty well with a few slips for the guys in plastic soles, but I still washed the jerseys twice anyway ;)
 

Pfitzy

George Gregan (70)
And the reason why it is such a bowl of green shite - and according to the Sydney Irish lads who play and train there - is that the artificial surface needs periodic maintenance.

And apparently none has happened since it was laid...

Ah yes - the "rubble" needs occasional replacement and levelling. But it is sold as "maintenance-free" so why would Council do that? :(
 

Pfitzy

George Gregan (70)
You can really tell the difference between maintained artificial turf, and ..... Latham Park.

I long considered getting it in my back yard, being on the small side and a bit ridiculous to push a mower around. But once the Western Sydney sun gets in there it is hot enough on real grass much less looking for first-degree burns...
 
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