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NSW Schools Debating 2023

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Debating is a Lifestyle

Frank Row (1)
For Eastside, Mikey Xu has made a competition site on Tabbycat which has all the information for all years, teams and motions.

eastside2023.calicotab.com

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This tab runs on Calico - Tabbycat, a source-available tab system for a variety of parliamentary debating formats
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Allen Oxlade (6)
State trials are this weekend! We'll see how they go, should be some really interesting results so I'm excited to see what happens from them. Really hoping NSW can take it all the way at Nationals this year, last year's team was incredibly strong but unfortunate in the Grand Final :(
Until then the ISDA results from last week were uh interesting to say the least. There were some upsets (one surprising one in particular ) and the motion was also uh interesting too. We'll see if the standards improve this week! Thanks to Debating is a Lifestyle for providing us with the Tabbycat for Eastside, the motion for the first week seems awfully complex for a high school motion so I would imagine there were some particularly messy debates that week. I don't think Mikey is planning to hold back with the motions he sets this year if that was Round 1, so we'll see what he cooks up for future rounds.
 
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Victor Dalrymple

Bob McCowan (2)
Yes, I expect Mikey will continue to set difficult motions this year. Last year many of the Eastside motions were taken from major University tournaments like Australs.
 
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Victor Dalrymple

Bob McCowan (2)
Have heard a series of complaints about judging at ISDA last night.

One must wonder how bad judge quality can get before a competition becomes rather pointless.

Surprised no one has tried to do anything about it.
 
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Frank Row (1)
Owl said:
Have heard a series of complaints about judging at ISDA last night.

One must wonder how bad judge quality can get before a competition becomes rather pointless.

Surprised no one has tried to do anything about it.
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That's a shame, hopefully it's fixed up by the outrounds.

Anyway, this week there's a lot happening. Excited to see Grammar vs an undefeated Queenwood in pool B and an undefeated Joeys tested by Abbotsleigh in pool C. Not really sure what the story with pool A is. Riverview senior A and B still undefeated in pool D.
 
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Herbert Moran (7)
Jankedandlit said:
That government should pay artists a living wage. Aff weighted again. When will we see better balanced topics ?
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I actually thought that was quite an interesting topic this week. Sometimes topics can be quite very similar to ones in previous years making it slightly boring.

Congratulations to the teams that have already broke - it will be interesting to see which teams will be facing off in the finals. If Queenwood win this week it could be a tough first week of the finals for the top two in pool C potentially against Grammar.
 
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Frank Row (1)
Does anyone know whether ISDA publishes the official results of every round? Seems a bit odd that the results page is still blank on their webpage despite half way through the comp
 
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Greatdebate

Frank Row (1)
Owl said:
Have heard a series of complaints about judging at ISDA last night.

One must wonder how bad judge quality can get before a competition becomes rather pointless.

Surprised no one has tried to do anything about it.
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Can you please elaborate on this? For seniors A or B or other age groups.
 
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Victor Dalrymple

Bob McCowan (2)
Greatdebate said:
Does anyone know whether ISDA publishes the official results of every round? Seems a bit odd that the results page is still blank on their webpage despite half way through the comp
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Normally ISDA would publish results after each round as a Google Sheet. This year the CA does not appear to be doing so - which is rather unfortunate. Thankfully we do have the unofficial table - which while not fully updated, provides us with something.
 
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Bob McCowan (2)
Jankedandlit said:
Been an issue for as long as I can remember. You need 48 adj’s to cover the 745pm timelslot across senior a, b and year 10. That’s a lot to cover. And there seems to be no assignment of best adj to senior A’s so we often see some senior a teams losing when they clearly shouldn’t. On balance most of the contenders will make the Octos regardless of adj quality. The issue is Octo and quarters where there is no panel. I’ve seen some terrible decisions over the years at this stage so there is a lot of luck to get through to semis. From that point on, you Get a panel and there’s usually enough experience there for the best team to win.

other comps have panels every round (think cas does but not 100% sure?) so have more integrity in the results.

oh and other comps pay more than isda to adj.
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It is true that the decline in school judging is not a recent phenomenon, but it appears to be worsening at an accelerating rate. It was not always the case that judging was bad in these competitions.

CAS has panels on all 1sts debates, but not the others.

I've found often quarters are the real danger zone. Octos are often clear enough that the result is fine, but quarters are both close debates, and understaffed by good judges.
 
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Herbert Moran (7)
Owl said:
Surprised no one has tried to do anything about it.
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I am not quite sure what you would do. I would like to say that I have found the adjudicators to be pretty good so far though.

And Jankedandlit is right, any really good team that is contending for the finals should not be overly concerned with the quality of adjudicators at this stage because they will make finals regardless given the team is good enough.
 
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Debating is a Lifestyle

Frank Row (1)
NSWDU Callbacks List:


Alexia Rigoni
Anhaar Kareem
Christian Mossati
Darshnik Aryal (James Ruse)
Eamonn O'Loughlin
Esther Kim (MLC)
Helena Piazza (SCEGGS)
Ian Gao
Iris Lee (Barker)
Jason Lin
Jehiel Pather (Scots)
John Toohey
Joshua O'Dea
Justin Qin (Barker)
Kasra Roushan
Melissa Liu (SGHS)
Michael Kwak
Nara Gong
Nikki Han
Oliver Hoang
Sofia Tzarimas
Tyson Lieu
Vishruth Anand (SBHS)


The schools and years weren't provided so I've filled in ones that I know of
 
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Herbert Moran (7)
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Herbert Moran (7)
I recently updated the motion fairness detector and it turns out the results aren't as skewed as you would think for many of the topics. All still in the favour of the affirmative team but some by slim margins.
 
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Frank Row (1)
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The link might be a bit far up at this point so here it is again. Quite pleased with the level of engagement on the sheet - gives us a good sense of where teams are at and in which direction the competition might be heading.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-LXFNbpGMW17qdpqK_qqEK6kShJQZymjuFOc_lZ44Jw/edit?usp=sharing
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I agree. Would have preferred official results from
ISDA itself. Who can we contact about this? Absent this, we need more parents and students to be involved in this forum and update the results
 
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