Round 7: Reds v Brumbies - Friday April 7 @ Suncorp 7:35pm

[Braveheart81]

Can someone tell Super Rugby to make the 20 mins red cards orange cards? The amount of people in the NH who don't know Super Rugby still has proper/full game/no replacement reds is astounding. It is confusing to be fair.

Yellow -> Orange -> Red

Easy.

Also apparently the TMO can't give a full red, it has to be the ref. I think that's dumb. Anything clearly minimum yellow should just be given almost instantly. Speed the game up.

Why rugby’s new foul play system needs a red card

The new rules have failed their first big test after a sickening hit on Brumbies winger Corey Toole, begging the question of what a player has to do to be sent off.

www.smh.com.au

I think Paul Cully's take on this is pretty rubbish.

It was an obvious red card given there was contact with the head with force and no mitigation but I don't see this as being close to being a straight red card with no replacement.

It was a standard red card which under Super Rugby's rules is 20 minutes until the player can be replaced.

 

[Lightblue]

Why rugby’s new foul play system needs a red card

The new rules have failed their first big test after a sickening hit on Brumbies winger Corey Toole, begging the question of what a player has to do to be sent off.

www.smh.com.au

I think Paul Cully's take on this is pretty rubbish.

It was an obvious red card given there was contact with the head with force and no mitigation but I don't see this as being close to being a straight red card with no replacement.

It was a standard red card which under Super Rugby's rules is 20 minutes until the player can be replaced.

I thought it a straight red card. Toole was taken out and sent to Disneyland by a head charge . What else do you have to do to get a straight red?

 

[Derpus]

I thought it a straight red card. Toole was taken out and sent to Disneyland by a head charge . What else do you have to do to get a straight red?

Punch, bite, eye gouge, sleep with their mother, etc

 

[Rebel man]

I thought it a straight red card. Toole was taken out and sent to Disneyland by a head charge . What else do you have to do to get a straight red?

It comes down to intent, he intended to charge down the ball. The contact is clumsy and reckless over intentional

 

[Braveheart81]

Punch, bite, eye gouge, sleep with their mother, etc

Yep.

The 'straight' red card is reserved for deliberate acts of foul play so I think it is reserved for these sort of actions because it requires intent.

 

[fatprop]

Why rugby’s new foul play system needs a red card

The new rules have failed their first big test after a sickening hit on Brumbies winger Corey Toole, begging the question of what a player has to do to be sent off.

www.smh.com.au

I think Paul Cully's take on this is pretty rubbish.

It was an obvious red card given there was contact with the head with force and no mitigation but I don't see this as being close to being a straight red card with no replacement.

It was a standard red card which under Super Rugby's rules is 20 minutes until the player can be replaced.

I really like the system, it removes the drudgery of watching refs try to decide this stuff on stadium screens while the game stops

 

[fatprop]

It was a clumsy attempted block by a giant on a dwarf, the system worked

 

[qwerty51]

I think Paul Cully's take on this is pretty rubbish.

A common theme lately unfortunately.

 

[Braveheart81]

I really like the system, it removes the drudgery of watching refs try to decide this stuff on stadium screens while the game stops

Agreed. I think it is an excellent change.

I agree with qwerty51 though in that an orange card would be better for the benefit of spectators etc. who aren't totally familiar with the process. This was obviously going to be upgraded to a red card but leaving some uncertainty that perhaps the referee has been too lenient and it is up to the TMO to upgrade it sends the wrong message in my view.

 

[Braveheart81]

A common theme lately unfortunately.

I agree.

There's not a lot of nuance in his pieces anymore. It's mostly just contrarian takes on issues. He used to be really insightful.

 

[fatprop]

Agreed. I think it is an excellent change.

I agree with qwerty51 though in that an orange card would be better for the benefit of spectators etc. who aren't totally familiar with the process. This was obviously going to be upgraded to a red card but leaving some uncertainty that perhaps the referee has been too lenient and it is up to the TMO to upgrade it sends the wrong message in my view.

I think every yellow is now under review by the match borg to see if it deserves being upgraded

I not sure if we need another card or just let spectators learn, but a note on the score board would add valuable info to the crowd that it has turned into a red and when the replacement can go on

 

[Slim 293]

It was a clumsy attempted block by a giant on a dwarf, the system worked

Nah, Blyth only had one intention in that moment and it was to line up Toole for the big hit and it came off very bad... late, high, and concussing Toole in the process so he now misses two games.

Having said that, I don't disagree with the process... it was a dumb act of foul play, but Blyth is very lucky with the outcome and the 3 week holiday.

 

[Braveheart81]

I think every yellow is now under review by the match borg to see if it deserves being upgraded

I not sure if we need another card or just let spectators learn, but a note on the score board would add valuable info to the crowd that it has turned into a red and when the replacement can go on

The yellow card would be for professional fouls etc.

At least the commentators have worked it out now and got on board. A year or two ago you'd see that replay and half the commentators would be trying to argue that it shouldn't be a red card.

 

[fatprop]

Nah, Blyth only had one intention in that moment and it was to line up Toole for the big hit and it came off very bad... late, high, and concussing Toole in the process so he now misses two games.

Having said that, I don't disagree with the process... it was a dumb act of foul play, but Blyth is very lucky with the outcome and the 3 week holiday.

Of course it was his intention to pound Toole into the ground - he is a back, it is what forwards dream of doing, but the execution was clumsy and he will enjoy some time on the side line

Now we can argue the time on the side line should be longer, it seems too short to me

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

I agree with the referral system. It makes it easier for a ref to say "that's clearly a card at a minimum" but also allows it to be upgraded on review. Takes a lot of the heat out of the situation and I also think that Blyth's hit was definitely red-worthy (the card, not the team).

 

[qwerty51]

I mean this is the problem, people saying it's red-card worthy - but which one?

You can't call something with two totally different outcomes the same thing (red card). The 20 min card needs to be renamed to an orange card.

 

[Derpus]

Has to be a reason why they opted against an orange card. Everyone knows they read this forum for inspiration and it was raised many times as an option.

 

[qwerty51]

Has to be a reason why they opted against an orange card. Everyone knows they read this forum for inspiration and it was raised many times as an option.

What happened to a blue card? I swear that was an actual thing? Referees forcing a player off for an HIA?

Or is that redundant because the independent match doctor does that now.

 

[Dan54]

What happened to a blue card? I swear that was an actual thing? Referees forcing a player off for an HIA?

Or is that redundant because the independent match doctor does that now.

Yep think the reasoning is refs aren't the ones who should decide on who need HIA

 

[Braveheart81]

What happened to a blue card? I swear that was an actual thing? Referees forcing a player off for an HIA?

Or is that redundant because the independent match doctor does that now.

Yep think the reasoning is refs aren't the ones who should decide on who need HIA

It was a trial when introduced so I am not sure if it is still in use but it was mainly for the community level of the game where there aren't doctors and other officials who can make those calls.