2025 Bledisloe Cup Series

[Braveheart81]

Strewth. I just rewatched it a few times, the rules state A ruck is formed when at least one player from each team are in CONTACT, on their feet and over the ball which is on the ground.(my caps).
My issue with this penalty is that Potter was over the ball but not in contact with an opposition player. Therefore, the ruck was not formed and he was free to pilfer. I did see the hand on the ground but hardly supporting his weight more an act of balance, many would let that go. But a pedant wouldn't.

He wasn't on the ball before the All Blacks player arrived and bound onto him though. Potter needed to be on the ball before that happened.

His first move is hands on the ground (illegal) and the swipe to pull the ball back doesn't happen until the All Blacks player is in contact with him (also illegal).

It was fine margins but likewise, if you go for a pilfer 5m out from your own line when under a lot of pressure, you need to get it exactly right otherwise a yellow card is probable.

 

[stillmissit]

He wasn't on the ball before the All Blacks player arrived and bound onto him though. Potter needed to be on the ball before that happened.

His first move is hands on the ground (illegal) and the swipe to pull the ball back doesn't happen until the All Blacks player is in contact with him (also illegal).

It was fine margins but likewise, if you go for a pilfer 5m out from your own line when under a lot of pressure, you need to get it exactly right otherwise a yellow card is probable.

BR, I never saw the AB player bind onto him until he was on the ball. Didn't see a swipe, but agree with your final sentence.

 

[Yoda]

How did Faessler go?

Good.

 

[Braveheart81]

BR, I never saw the AB player bind onto him until he was on the ball. Didn't see a swipe, but agree with your final sentence.

He's not supporting his bodyweight, he's not on the ball here and he has an All Blacks player bound onto him so the ruck is formed.

 

[Dctarget]

From the first 20 minutes I did watch, what happened with that ruck where the ABs were just fucking with the scrumhalf and didn't get pinged for playing the 9?

 

[Strewthcobber]

Strewth. I just rewatched it a few times, the rules state A ruck is formed when at least one player from each team are in CONTACT, on their feet and over the ball which is on the ground.(my caps).
My issue with this penalty is that Potter was over the ball but not in contact with an opposition player. Therefore, the ruck was not formed and he was free to pilfer. I did see the hand on the ground but hardly supporting his weight more an act of balance, many would let that go. But a pedant wouldn't.

Agreed there was no ruck initially, and he was free to pilfer, but he didn't, his hands were on the ground.

Then an opposition player binds on, was in contact with him, and forms a ruck, and then Potter goes for the ball.

The penalty is for what he did after the ruck was formed.

Edit - see pic above

 

[Sword of Justice]

Not from what I saw. Had two try assists and scored one himself. Reds forwards won the game.

Mate. 1/4 from the kicking tee, twice missed touch from penalty kicks, twice failed to restart giving away scrums, at least two missed tackles in the lead up to Reds tries.

He played well out the back and did get some good runs in but if he didn’t come from Randwick what would you say about all that?

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

Only taking DMac & Love to Perth shows us that Razor's "four deep" plan for 2027 wrt 5/8 is RMo, Beaugan, DMac & Love. If it's gonna bite us on the arse, as I think it's almost bound to, I hope it's this week or in Chicago while there's still (barely enough) time to correct course. You can carry one 15 who covers 5/8 but not two & arguably three.

 

[Dan54]

Only taking DMac & Love to Perth shows us that Razor's "four deep" plan for 2027 wrt 5/8 is RMo, Beaugan, DMac & Love. If it's gonna bite us on the arse, as I think it's almost bound to, I hope it's this week or in Chicago while there's still (barely enough) time to correct course. You can carry one 15 who covers 5/8 but not two & arguably three.

You right there WOB, he's dicing with trouble I reckon.

 

[RebelYell]

For Perth, I'd run with:

Slipper, Pollard, Tupou, Frost, Skelton, Hooper, McReight, Wilson, Gordon, Lynagh, Sua'ali'i, Paisami, Ikitau, Potter, Jorgensen
BPA, Bell, Ala'alatoa, Williams, LSL (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto), Valetini, Lonergan, O'Connor

 

[Dismal Pillock]

Only taking DMac & Love to Perth shows us that Razor's "four deep" plan for 2027 wrt 5/8 is RMo, Beaugan, DMac & Love. If it's gonna bite us on the arse, as I think it's almost bound to, I hope it's this week or in Chicago while there's still (barely enough) time to correct course.

Everyone can see the car crash unfolding in real time.

R.Mo: flighty old man who can't tackle. its almost like Razor is thinking "yeah these 3 should do until my Steph Curry returns to resume the Crusader murder regime. He started the last 2 RWC and was within 1 pt of winning it all."
BBFFSbACLINEFucker
DMac: every now and then he will utterly shit the bed/start running backwards and sideways. Still, at least he's the best penalty kicker
Love: untested. We have no idea if he has the mentality for it. Might completely bottle it
Harry Plummer: a 1st 5 who seems to have a test rugby skillset

You can carry one 15 who covers 5/8 but not two & arguably three.

Some brutal shade here. Remind me never to get on the wrong side of W.Oldboy.

 

[rugbyAU]

For Perth, I'd run with:

Slipper, Pollard, Tupou, Frost, Skelton, Hooper, McReight, Wilson, Gordon, Lynagh, Sua'ali'i, Paisami, Ikitau, Potter, Jorgensen
BPA, Bell, Ala'alatoa, Williams, LSL (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto) (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto), Valetini, Lonergan, O'Connor

I think we have to start Valetini and AA

 

[KOB1987]

He wasn't on the ball before the All Blacks player arrived and bound onto him though. Potter needed to be on the ball before that happened.

His first move is hands on the ground (illegal) and the swipe to pull the ball back doesn't happen until the All Blacks player is in contact with him (also illegal).

It was fine margins but likewise, if you go for a pilfer 5m out from your own line when under a lot of pressure, you need to get it exactly right otherwise a yellow card is probable.

You are no doubt technically correct here but what you are also saying is if an all Blacks player had done exactly the same thing on the half way line at 75 minutes when we are 2 points down then he’s probably going to let it go because we’re not ‘hot in attack’. This is what is irking us, it’s either always illegal or it’s not.

 

[Dan54]

You are no doubt technically correct here but what you are also saying is if an all Blacks player had done exactly the same thing on the half way line at 75 minutes when we are 2 points down then he’s probably going to let it go because we’re not ‘hot in attack’. This is what is irking us, it’s either always illegal or it’s not.

I would think he would/should always penalise it KOB, should be wherever it happens. I actually not keen on the law , same as having to take hand off a tackled player, I like that players have a good chance of turning over the ball.

 

[Dctarget]

I haven't seen the full game but hard to cry foul when in the stats they dominated us:

40 defenders beaten to 11.
5 clean breaks to 2.
7 turnovers conceded to 15.
We even lost two of our own scrums?

 

[Dctarget]

In saying that, I just listened to Tim from the Egg Chaser's summary of the game and he went hard at the Stan coverage for bleating about bias. Then went onto say that heaps of 50/50s went NZ's way and that's not bias that's just the Eden Park effect. He somehow tried to straddle the line that we shouldn't blame the loss on the ref but the Jonker and Piardi had a shocker and they were tough on Aus... difficult to swing that Tim.

 

[dru]

How many other times did the player enter a tackle off their feet, play the ball with their hands in the ruck and take the ball from the opposition's possession illegally, in the 5m zone while hot on attack?

I haven't and won't sit down with a recoding and analyse it Strewth. But it seemed to me that AB forwards were consistently diving overstretched past the ball and pulling back. Or toppling over. Sealing off too was rampant. Transgressions were off from both teams and the WBs did not push as frequently into the 5m as we would have hoped. But I doubt the answer is "never" as you seem to imply. EDIT ah what the hell maybe it is. I'm bailing out.

I thought the ruck adjudication was all over the shop. I also think we are entitled to better.

 

[Spamnoodle]

Not from what I saw. Had two try assists and scored one himself. Reds forwards won the game.

HMP kicked all his goals, tries were scored out wide. Of course if the forwards are winning their battles the backs should clean it up....
Donno missed most of his kicks for goal.
If we're going to pick on one 10 for missing kicks we have to be consistent.

Fwiw. I hope Donno gets a good crack at it on the spring tour and nails his spot.

 

[Dan54]

BR, I never saw the AB player bind onto him until he was on the ball. Didn't see a swipe, but agree with your final sentence.

I not sure why we getting hung up on a ruck or anyone binding anyway, a player has to support his own weight at tackle anyway!


In rugby union, players involved in a tackle who need to remain on their feet and contest for the ball, such as in a ruck, must support their own body weight with their feet and not go to ground. Using the ground or another player for support is illegal and will result in a penalty, as this action also prevents the quick release of the ball and a fair contest for possession.

 

[Ignoto]

Then went onto say that heaps of 50/50s went NZ's way and that's not bias that's just the Eden Park effect

That Maul penalty wasn't even a 50/50, it was plainly a wrong call by the touchie. Same with Hooper's penalty and the Barrett tackle on James.

They weren't 50/50's.

The Ardie crawling on his knees leading to the first try and also his pilfer aftee our big line break where the clean out got him the second he had hands on the balls were 50/50's.