Sydney Subbies 2025

[sterlingmortlocksgloves]

Hence my push to max out clubs at 3 Grades + Colts. And Premier Clubs at 3 Grades + U20 + U19.

the sorry we’re full method, that’ll work for the 35 old whose played 10 years with a club and wants to phase out into the lower grades.

 

[Pfitzy]

the sorry we’re full method, that’ll work for the 35 old whose played 10 years with a club and wants to phase out into the lower grades.

Have another comp for O35 (4th Grade) and O45 (5th Grade) if that's what clubs can suppot - like Hexagon. If they want to phase out, they're probably a social player anyway.

Or keep the bar where it is. That has worked swimmingly.

 

[sterlingmortlocksgloves]

Have another comp for O35 (4th Grade) and O45 (5th Grade) if that's what clubs can suppot - like Hexagon. If they want to phase out, they're probably a social player anyway.

Or keep the bar where it is. That has worked swimmingly.

So the suggestion would be Div 1 3 grades (most clubs field a 5s bar Drummoyne and Newport). Majority of those blokes are either social first year out of colts blokes and the weekend warriors getting away from corporate life and shipping them off where? Can’t image many blokes would be keen on the idea of being told you need to go for a 60 minute drive to the next club who can’t field 2 grades to fill in numbers.

 

[Pfitzy]

Not forcing anyone to go anywhere. Read what I wrote.

 

[pnut]

Have another comp for O35 (4th Grade) and O45 (5th Grade) if that's what clubs can suppot - like Hexagon. If they want to phase out, they're probably a social player anyway.

Or keep the bar where it is. That has worked swimmingly.

Subbies is social isn’t that the point?

 

[Odyssey_Park the 2nd]

So the suggestion would be Div 1 3 grades (most clubs field a 5s bar Drummoyne and Newport). Majority of those blokes are either social first year out of colts blokes and the weekend warriors getting away from corporate life and shipping them off where? Can’t image many blokes would be keen on the idea of being told you need to go for a 60 minute drive to the next club who can’t field 2 grades to fill in numbers.

The discussion was around what is sustainable and also allow movement between divisions. A number of clubs can field 5 grades and colts and good in them and ideally 1st Division would reflect this . But that number is getting smaller and smaller by the year. Most clubs can only field 2-3 grades regularly. How then do you allow clubs at the bottom of Division 1 transfer out with the clubs at the top of Division 2.

What happens like we are seeing in the lower Divisions when Div 1 only has 5-6 teams capable of competing? Is that competition viable long term?

Running a rugby club is cyclical, what clubs at the top forget is that it doesn’t last forever. The belief that all the clubs in Div 1 will always have 5 grades and players to compete at that level is laughable.

 

[Pfitzy]

Subbies AGM November 24th.

There's a Special General Meeting beforehand to clean up a few items in the Constution - mostly administrative to implement some best practice measures for the makeup of Board, Judiciary, and Appeals. There's some specifics about adopting neutral language and creating more representation for women on the Board, and a couple to bring things into line with the Union's status as a not-for-profit and the Associations Incorporation Act.

 

[Odyssey_Park the 2nd]

Subbies AGM November 24th.

There's a Special General Meeting beforehand to clean up a few items in the Constution - mostly administrative to implement some best practice measures for the makeup of Board, Judiciary, and Appeals. There's some specifics about adopting neutral language and creating more representation for women on the Board, and a couple to bring things into line with the Union's status as a not-for-profit and the Associations Incorporation Act.

It won’t happen but I’d love to see Subbies with a plan for Div 1 by the AGM and Div 2 by Christmas. The rest of the divisions can be outlined by end of January.
This doesn’t lock anyone into a position and clubs would have to prove by end of February they have the numbers etc to meet their grading or risk being demoted or promoted if numbers are OK.
But this doesn’t leave us sitting on our hands till mid March trying to figure out divisions and draws. This would give us something to work/plan with. We can’t leave it till March to be working things out again.

 

[Pfitzy]

We might be able to go back to a situation where First Div has a draft draw before Christmas provided everyone is happy with the makeup of First Division.

With so much uncertainty below that, February is probably where the rest sit, and I don't see that changing short of a massive uptake in numbers.

 

[footy_footy]

I'd imagine the Board would be having discussions with the clubs in the conversation for promotion/relegation between Div 1 & Div 2. Any intel as to whether Newport are willing to come back to Div 2? My understanding is both Petersham and UNSW would both happily take a spot in Div 1, if offered/available.

 

[Odyssey_Park the 2nd]

We might be able to go back to a situation where First Div has a draft draw before Christmas provided everyone is happy with the makeup of First Division.

With so much uncertainty below that, February is probably where the rest sit, and I don't see that changing short of a massive uptake in numbers.

My point is that there needs to be a base/plan to work off. Base it off last years divisions/results and what you expect the divisions to be next year. You don’t want 6 team divisions if you can avoid it so how does that look.
Last year we waited till Feb/March to start making decisions and then clubs had time to prove their numbers etc which pushes you to close to the season start. When it’s just 1 team moving it’s simple but we are looking at huge changes each year.
This doesn’t lock anyone into a spot and there should be deadlines for confirming numbers. I.e by end of Feb you need to show you have 20 Colts registered to run a Colts team.

 

[Pfitzy]

Ah I see what you mean, so basically you'd state the criteria to try and give clubs certainty, rather than let them recruit on spec.

I would very much like a system where registration is open by end of January and I can start getting some cash er... players through the door