Wallabies v All Blacks Sydney

[Thomond78]

A question: has there ever been a time when we weren't told that our pack is soft? All through the time I've been watching and playing this game, I've heard it constantly: those Aussies are flashy in the backs and their forwards are weak rubbish. This isn't a shot at anyone, more an observation that even our great teams seem to carry some sort of stigma about not being hard enough. I guess the NH countries get it in reverse about having no flair, in spite of the fact that many of their good teams over the years have had some terrific backs.

Changeover happened, I would guess, about 2001. You didn't have a great pack post-1999 (when, to be honest, you played some of the most boring rugby ever seen), but no-one would describe a pack with John Eales in it as flaky or soft. When he went, the nous and hard edge that, growing up, I always associated with Aussie forwards, went with him. Since then, you've had some tidy players, but no real pack as such, and certainly nothing to scare anyone away from playing it tight and snarky.

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

I was looking at the programme for the Murrayfield test the other day. A couple of those guys weren't too soft such as Tommy Lawton at hooker.

That grand slam pack was one of our best ever: Topo, Lawton, MacIntyre, Cutler, Williams, Codey, Poidevin and Tuynman. Absolutely superb in the piece and around the paddock and very balanced.

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

Changeover happened, I would guess, about 2001. You didn't have a great pack post-1999 (when, to be honest, you played some of the most boring rugby ever seen), but no-one would describe a pack with John Eales in it as flaky or soft. When he went, the nous and hard edge that, growing up, I always associated with Aussie forwards, went with him. Since then, you've had some tidy players, but no real pack as such, and certainly nothing to scare anyone away from playing it tight and snarky.

I certainly wouldn't argue the point that 2003-2006 featured some of our worst forward combinations. However, once Knuckles, Foley and Noreiga got involved with the test team the situation has improved. In fact, I reckon that with our best players available next year, the following would be pretty useful: Robinson, TPN, Alexander, Horwill, Sharpe, Elsom, Pocock and Palu.

 

[PaarlBok]

Paarl, you seem to be forgetting where the Mandela plate will be resting this year!

You can have all the plates Boet, next year we start from zero.

Honestly thought you'd roll over the All Blacks on saturday. Its obvious that the Wallabies have outstanding youngsters but the way their last 3 tests went its like a story book.

No way you lead by 20 to 30 and keep on throwing them away in the end. Between the ears.

 

[vidiot]

No way you lead by 20 to 30 and keep on throwing them away in the end. Between the ears.

They'll figure it out. Be nice if Elsom could lead them there, but the guy isn't exactly rousing.

They need something to make them hungry - it certainly doesn't flow from their well-paid existence - and hopefully having the ABs rub their nose in manure repeatedly will give them extra motivation next year.

 

[Groucho]

They'll figure it out. Be nice if Elsom could lead them there, but the guy isn't exactly rousing.

They need something to make them hungry - it certainly doesn't flow from their well-paid existence - and hopefully having the ABs rub their nose in manure repeatedly will give them extra motivation next year.

I'm strongly leading towards Pocock leading the team officially sooner rather than later, and taking a bit of a punt on it. I'd have included Sanchez in that equation as well but his place may not be secure.

 

[MajorlyRagerly]

I'm strongly leading towards Pocock leading the team officially sooner rather than later, and taking a bit of a punt on it. I'd have included Sanchez in that equation as well but his place may not be secure.

Disagree at the moment. Future captain, yep, for sure. But not now. The look he gets on his face when gets penalised doesn't exactly give the aw shucks look which referee's warm to. It looks more like "what the fuck did you fucking penalise me fucking for. For fucks sake, you don't have a fucking clue, fuck you".

I don't think it's the look that will serve him well. But at 22, you can't blame him for that. Scary that he's only 22. Certainly a MR pick for a future IRB player of the year. But then again, my last one was Francois Steyn.

 

[Gagger]

OK, just when you thought it was safe to go back to the water, this pops up on the front page
http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/dwyers-view-referee-blunder-denies-wallabies-victory/#comment-47646

This happened right in front of my eyes and ears (sports ears/ referees mic) on Saturday night, after the 1st scrum came up Lawrence’s assistant referee notified him of the transgression, Lawrence replied to him on mic asking him to call it ‘live’. Well the assistant called it live the second time and Lawrence choose to ignore it resulting in the try. Paddy go to the tape and ask him why????

Anyone else hear that on SportsEars?

 

[MrTimms]

OK, just when you thought it was safe to go back to the water, this pops up on the front page
http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/dwyers-view-referee-blunder-denies-wallabies-victory/#comment-47646



Anyone else hear that on SportsEars?

Moses recorded the sports ears feed, so should be easy to find out.


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[cyclopath]

All well and good, but **yawn**.
I'm over the McCaw try discussion.
Let's move on, shall we?

 

[I like to watch]

Good call,
Leave the ref out of it, we had our chances & came up a little short.
That is one of the things I enjoy about Rugby as opposed to league.
Rugby tragics do not normally forensically examine every call by the ref and declare him incompetant and the sole reason for the defeat, immediately after each game.
Yeah he made mistakes, but not as many as the wobblies.
He also made errors favouring the Wobblies.
Refs should never be criticised unless they are J Kaplan.He being the sole exception to the rule.

 

[Gagger]

All well and good, but **yawn**.
I'm over the McCaw try discussion.
Let's move on, shall we?

Higher ground well and truly taken Cyclo. What this episode meant or didn't mean to the match has been done to death.

I'm purely interested in what happened in the incident. I had just assumed that like the Fox commentators, somehow the ref team hadn't twigged to an incident that happened very quickly. This says that wasn't the case

 

[biggsy]

Why can Richie be the only bloke in Rugby to miss a tackle and then come from a offside position to pillfer the Ball. Im sure you have to go from behind the ruck not in front of the Ruck. Oh thats right Richie has his own glorified rules. There was one that was just a joke. Pocock should have got away with everything.

 

[Hartman]

Why can Richie be the only bloke in Rugby to miss a tackle and then come from a offside position to pillfer the Ball. Im sure you have to go from behind the ruck not in front of the Ruck. Oh thats right Richie has his own glorified rules. There was one that was just a joke. Pocock should have got away with everything.

sigh...

 

[vidiot]

When we started hearing that ridiculous 'daylight' request from Lawrence pointedly and repeatedly to Pocock (I would have loved Rocky, for all that it wouldn't have helped, reminding him it was a f$%^ing night game), I started to wonder if there was a direction to Lawrence to enforce this, whether that direction was pointed at any players specifically, or whether he had initiated this himself.

 

[fatprop]

When we started hearing that ridiculous 'daylight' request from Lawrence pointedly and repeatedly to Pocock (I would have loved Rocky, for all that it wouldn't have helped, reminding him it was a f$%^ing night game), I started to wonder if there was a direction to Lawrence to enforce this, whether that direction was pointed at any players specifically, or whether he had initiated this himself.

I had no problem with the requirement that they had to give the ball carrier time to place the ball, in the last Bok game Pocock was getting away with too much

 

[Scotty]

I had no problem with the requirement that they had to give the ball carrier time to place the ball, in the last Bok game Pocock was getting away with too much

I agree, but I do have an issue with this being refereed differently in games within the one comp. The biggest issues with referees in inconsistencies. If they can fix this within and between games there will be a lot less complaining.

And talking about complaining, Buck Shelford thinks the Wallabies were robbed:

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,27694724-5016959,00.html

"Richie McCaw clearly broke from the scrum before the ball was out and should have been penalised for receiving a pass from Kieran Read.

"The match officials didn't pick it up and neither did the television commentators, but I have no doubt the Wallabies were robbed. Some calls go your way, some don't, but the All Blacks will know deep down that they were lucky to win," Shelford said.

 

[Gagger]

Cyclo and other high grounders, look away now!

Turns out it wasn't the Ass Ref calling McCaw's detaching, it was for a whole other AB penalty....

http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/video-the-black-hand/

 

[ACT Crusader]

I agree, but I do have an issue with this being refereed differently in games within the one comp. The biggest issues with referees in inconsistencies. If they can fix this within and between games there will be a lot less complaining.

Nice sentiment but how do you suppose they do such a thing. Near impossible when there is different refs and different situations. All sports face this and unless we are oing to attach electronic equipment to players and have some tennis-like all seeing eye making the calls then we are going to have to rely on human judgement (and error)

IMO its impossible to measure "inconsistency" because every situation is different. Just becuase something is penalised once doesn't mean it will be penalised the next. For example a ref might yell out "RUCK" quicker at one collision than the next collision despite players coming together. This is the difference between a player getting his hands on the ball and pilfering or getting penalised. Its never been black or white and I don't think we should be expecting it to be now.

Maybe our viewing of a game is where the inconsistency lies???

 

[MajorlyRagerly]

I love the way you put that photo on it which shows

1. JOC (James O'Connor) Offside
2. Rocky not bound at the shoulder.

Offset that against

1. McCaw detached
2. Woodys hand on the ground

And it all evens out perfectly. Thus try is valid, in the history books, on the scorecard, and all is done & dusted.