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Reds vs Crusaders Super Rugby Rd11 2012

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Mark Ella (57)
I thought Harris worked pretty hard off the ball and was very good in defence. Pretty sure he also won a few turnovers at the ruck. He will keep his spot anyway, since taps is out for an extended period.

That is how I saw Harris's performance. His general game is much better now than the beginning of the year but interesting people were heaping praise when he was on that kicking streak. He and Ant were like a brick wall in the centers.
 
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andyq

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Not sure if he

tried not to tackle him

but agree that if it HAD been a tackle then it would've been ok. At any rate, no arms is no arms and whilst it was arguably a bit harsh it wasn't exactly the worst call of the game... but i really don't want to get into that issue...
 
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andyq

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Also thought that both Ant and Mickey Harris actually ran the ball reasonably well, plenty of straight running which is what you need to do to give your wingers a little bit of space
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
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I just thought it was an interesting bit of play. I don't care either way.

Why I thought that he tried not to tackle him was because it really wasn't a shoulder charge. If he'd wanted to put a big shoulder on him he easily could have. He just kind of ran into him instead. It was clumsy more than anything.
 

RedsHappy

Tony Shaw (54)
That is how I saw Harris's performance. His general game is much better now than the beginning of the year but interesting people were heaping praise when he was on that kicking streak. He and Ant were like a brick wall in the centers.

We were justifiably heaping praise on Harris as a 90+% kicker will win you tight game after tight game, simple really. And/or gain you what can be comp-deciding bonus points through a lowered losing margin.

We can get excited re Harris' 'general' play, which for me is roughly as it was from Round 1, but if his kicking standard stays where it is sitting since his return, unless our attack starts to score more tries every game, we'll lose the tight ones when vs kickers like Cruden, etc.

Think of it a bit like this from yesterday's game: Taylor misses just one penalty kick and comes off his season high, consistent % kicking ratio, Harris is just one better (as per his recent past, and the penalty he missed was very kickable), we win the game. Kicking capability routinely decides close matches. But we are so often fascinated by the other things.
 

Sully

Tim Horan (67)
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I pulled this off the Review replies list.
Im sending this list of queeries to the refereeing panels/SanzarIRB etc as a please explain on Bryce Lawrences performance.
1. 4:40 – ball coming of Red 8 head called a knock on.
2. 5:20 – scrum penalty against reds. Black 3’s head popped up and penalty went against the reds.
3. 6:00 – Black knock on deemed backwards when it clearly went forward
4. 6:32 – Red 5 penalised for not rolling away. Once he had made the tackle, the ball was out no more than a second later so he obviously moved quick enough. Was one of the crusaders fastest breakdowns in the match. – 3 points to black as a result
5. 12:37 – penalty against red 11 for holding on. He couldn’t have place it any quicker.
6. 14:53 – Black scrum. Black 1 hand on the ground. No penalty awarded to the reds.
7. 16:33 – black scrum. Again Black 1 hand on the ground. No penalty awarded
8. 18:40 – penalty against red for offside. Red 11 was behind red 15 when he kicked, he was the chaser and tackler, all other reds players were retiring.
9. Scrum penalty against reds. Black 3’s head popped up first. Red 1 was penalised for bad angle. Ball was already out before red 1 bored in. Scrum was over – 3 point resulted
10. 23:08 –penalty against red 4 for obstruction. He had no influence on the tackle, and the tackle was made.
11. 27:38 – black 1 hand on the ground in scrum. No penalty given to reds.
12. 31:06 – black 15 knocked on but should have been a penalty to reds (instead of a scrum) for accidental offside by black 10 for picking up the ball.
13. 32:19 – black 1 hand on the ground at scrum. No penalty awarded to the reds.
14. 32:22 : black 9 infront of the ball at scrum. No penalty given to the reds. Ball was still in scrum and Ellis was behind red 8.
15. 38:27 – Black 11 dangerous clear out using shoulder only. Red 10 was penalised for the same thing earlier in the match and rightly so but no consistency.
16. 35:09 – black 8 at the back of ruck making no attempt to roll away. No penalty awarded to reds.
17. 39:53 – black one with hand on ground during scrum. No penalty given to reds. Actually penalty gone the other way.
18. 44:47 – black 9 knock on not seen (refer to replay)
19. 45:05 – red 5 penalised for offside. His feet were behind the try line. Direct result 3 points to black.
20. 47:15 – forward pass by red. No scrum awarded to crusaders.
21. 47:31 – reds penalised for being offside. They were all behind the last feet. (refer to tv at 47:27 to see all players onside.
22. 49:10 – black awarded a penalty. No reason given by Bryce Lawrencethat I heard but I could not see one infringement from any reds player.
23. 50:37 – scrum penalty awarded to the crusaders. Black 2 popped his head up before red. Also in the replay showing other side of the scrum, black 1 with hand on ground. Penalty went wrong way.
24. 52:14 – red 1 put hand on the ground during scrum. No penalty awarded to the crusaders.
25. 52:19 – black 19 changing running angle to interfere red 7 from defending. Not penalised. IS an intentional professional foul and can be awarded a yellow card also.
26. 52:56 – Scrum awarded to black for red 2 not throwing in strait at lineout. It was strait. Refer to lineout at 65:32 and 68:39 being judged strait. Was more crooked by black 2 but judged to be strait.
27. 57:20 – penalty awarded to reds for black not releaseing, but red 12 was not supporting his own body weight as he pilfered. Penalty should have gone the other way.
28. 58:39 – penalty against reds. Red 12 was in fact the tackler and was within his rights.
29. 55:24 – black knock on missed.
30. 55:25 – lineout awarded to black for reds taking it into touch. He did not go out as my slow motion replay showed me.
31. 55:59 – black forward pass missed right in front of referee.
32. 61:64: blatant knock on in front of referee by black 19 now given. His explaination is that the ball comes off the knee. Would be inconsequential if it came of his knee if he dropped the ball. Not sure why he used that as an excuse as it holds no bearing to the fact he dropped it.
33. 62:22 – reds dominant at scrum. Front row for black crumbling and not taking the weight. No penalty awarded to reds. 64:43 – black 19 not supporting his weight when he pilfers the ball. No penalty awarded to the reds.
34. Free kick awarded to black for too slow at lineout time. From the point of a lineout being formed, there were two occasions where black took longer to throw in and no free kick was awarded to reds. Refer to lineout at 5:50 and 55:56
35. 69:09 – Black 19 not releasing when tackled. Red 7 trying to pilfer. No penalty given to reds.
36. Textbook pilfer executed by red 7. Red 7 supporting own weight, was the tackler so was allowed to be standing where he was. Ruck was not formed prior to Gill getting his hands on the ball, player not releasing. Penalty awarder to black. Should have been awarded to red. 3 points resulting from the decision and the match and 4 competition points.
He's not happy with Bryce's performance!
 

p.Tah

John Thornett (49)
They're pissed. Actually I was hurling abuse at the TV during this game as well... what's worse for them they had to sit down and watch the game again, pause, take notes etc.
 

nathan

Darby Loudon (17)
They're pissed. Actually I was hurling abuse at the TV during this game as well... what's worse for them they had to sit down and watch the game again, pause, take notes etc.
And then throw those notes out, realising that unless they have Bryce next week it's unlikely the game will be officiated in such an appalling way.
 

Forcefield

Ken Catchpole (46)
I think so. The JWC is a good chance for him to develop leadership skills. He will also be playing against his future opposition. It would be a good chance to get to know some of them. Better that then not making match day 22s for the Wallabies for 3 weeks.
 

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
YyBlue you will recall that many if not most here stated long ago that Lawrence was a joke and should have been sent for retraining or retirement, but like a couple of others despite significant evidence and admissions they are protected. I would like to see some NH refs in Super Rugby and a return to neutral officials and AZ more thorough use of all refs in the game. The fact that for instance the Crusaders scrum did not get penslised once for repeated infringements that have seen test props careers ended is a blight no only on Lawrence but on the other officials for not ensuring this 'first' offence is dealt with.
With so man games having highly questionable results for reasons like this or game is being brought into disrepute.
 

Bowside

Peter Johnson (47)
So my Australian friends, how does it feel to be taken roughly from behind by a little Kiwi man with a whistle?

Welcome to the very exclusive "Reamed by Bryce" club. The beer's warm, aircon doesn't work and the place smells bad.

You act like we havent been shafted by him before boet. We were questioning bryce before your countrymen made it fashionable.
 

liquor box

Greg Davis (50)
Players like Simmons are playing better with a bit more direction from the leaders within the team.
I also think he is growing again, he is starting to look huge, not just tall in a Nathan Sharpe kind of way. I think he also looks like he is starting to realise that you might have to hurt an opponant (legally) to push them back
 

Sandpit Fan

Nev Cottrell (35)
So my Australian friends, how does it feel to be taken roughly from behind by a little Kiwi man with a whistle?

Welcome to the very exclusive "Reamed by Bryce" club. The beer's warm, aircon doesn't work and the place smells bad.

:( The first thing I said to the South African bloke I work with (after
kicking a few dogs and firing 3 people on the walk to my office), was "Now I know how you feel bru"

Watched the RWC semi at his place and bailed smartly after fulltime, being outnumbered about 8-1 by Bok supporters... He didn't have much sympathy, another bloody bulls supporter as well.
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