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NSW AAGPS Rugby 2012

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CTPE

Nev Cottrell (35)
Shore 10 over Scots 7 at Scots in a very wet, and understandably messy game.

Despite seeing Fletcher (2nd row) and Robertson (front row) return from injury, they were both sick, with Robertson coming off and half time and Fletcher unable to play at all, reducing the strength of the Shore forwards. However, they were still able to dominate the Scots pack, working extreme well together, with the major standout being Buckling at 8 (replicating his game last year in which he shut down Horwitz and the inside backs with some amazing and hard hitting defence).

As for the backs, Pulver lead the forwards well at halfback, Arnold defended well at outside centre and Davies looked strong in attack at fullback. Jack Clancy had an outstanding game at flyhalf and was extremely impressive as he outclassed his opposite Horwitz (in my opinion).

From Scots, none of the forwards stood out to me, however, from their backs, Kellaway looked extremely dangerous whenever he got the ball (his yellow card was a relief for all Shore supporters) and I noticed the absence of Jim Stewart, who would have had an impact no doubt if he had played.

Overall, it was a close game with lots of promise shown by both sides. As CTPE noted, the variety of results and upsets thus far should mean that the competition this year will be extremely close (a joint premiership is a possibility) as all sides have shown that they have the ability to beat any other side on any given day.

As depth will be important when long term injuries hit during the year how did the Shore 2nds go today after their win last week.
 

Micheal

Nicholas Shehadie (39)
They lost unfortunately, I think they went down 17 - 0 or around there. Not a great performance.
 

CTPE

Nev Cottrell (35)
Could not agree with you more CTPE. Those three just ooze class.

An interesting conundrum for Milne will be what he does if he is selected in the NSWRL U/18 team for 'State of Origin II'.

After all it is now getting to the business end of the rugby season as far as selections are concerned and in 2012 rugby has shown a tendency to snub those whose loyalty can be questioned! CHS certainly did last week at their selection trials!

Newbie it all depends on the extent of the ARU's influence in GPS selections. From what I''m hearing Milne is playing as well as Tepai and given their form and the fact that there is only one more game before GPS selections they should both be at the forefront of selectors minds.
 

Waratard

Stan Wickham (3)
View's big name and big sized forward pack looked unfit and uninterested until the last 15 mins and King's smaller more aggressive and mobile pack dominated until then. Their scrum also dominated View's taking at least one tight head. King's loose three were outstanding especially Randle at 7. Don't agree about Dempsey and Rorke as they were both disappointing although Whitley can hold his head high particularly his involvement in the second half.

Whilst it wasn't a day for backs to shine Jones was all class for Kings and will more than likely be at 14 in the GPS firsts if he continues playing as he did today. Compared to Kings, New, Joeys and Scots, View don't seem to have a lot of potency in their backline and this may well be their weakness this year. If their forwards can play like they did in the last 15 minutes though they will be still be very much in the mix but as I understand it this is the second week in a row that they have failed to deliver over the whole of the game.

With New beating Joeys at Hunters Hill, Shore getting over Scots and Kings defeating View it seems that predictions of a very close comp in 2012 are spot on at this stage.



I thought dempsey played very solid CTPE, i was keen to watch him as i have heard so much about him. He started off pretty shaky though, il give you that but from what i was told on the sidelines it was his first game back from injury. In the second half though he carried the ball exceptionally well, getting over the gain line with good leg drive and aggression, he set up both the View tries (which were scored by rorke....) with line breaks and refusal to go to ground.

I agree the view pack looked unfit and uninterested though, and in terms of selections, not many put their hand up. only rep honours for View should be rorke, dempsey, whitley in 1sts and redden at 13/wing for 2nds.
 

Lee Grant

John Eales (66)
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Joeys 12 Newington 17

New handled the wet conditions better and were good value for the win, but it was a pity for the Joeys faithful that once their scrummie went over the try-line in a dive near the posts - and dropped the ball.

Regardless, New deserved the win and after seeing View and Scots from earlier trials I conclude that they are the best of the 4 GPS teams I have seen this year.

Their forwards are physical but they need to improve their scrums to go all the way. Their backs were also more robust: tough boys who got off their line fast and were well drilled. Some of their moves had clever deception in them.

Some of their individual backs looked promising. 12. Milne has been a fine acquisition for New as last I saw he was playing for a CHS side out of Randwick High School. I understand that he is a league player and you can see his enjoyment of contact.

He had a top game and is going to cause a bit of grief to GPS teams this year. Unfortunately his league background may have been responsible for the shoulder charge which earned him a yellow card.

Milne's partner at 13 was another abrasive centre and I liked the organisation of 9 Lussick in the wet conditions.

In the forwards big bopper 3.OPL had a good game and showed that he is light on his feet for a big unit. It's hard to judge his scrummaging but I note that Joeys had no particular problem on their LH side with 1. Robertson posted there, unless they missed the hit.

With these two GPS should have a decent scrum in the NSW trials, and if there are even better props in front of them, look out CAS etc. 2 Vea also looked like rep material.

Joeys had several good phases of play and scrambled well, but they were their own worst enemies sometimes and for the 3rd week in a row were vulnerable to breakouts. Towards the end of the game, and in the lead, they had a lineout near the New line, spilt the ball to New, who passed it along the backline, ran up the LH side of the field to score the winning try. Credit to Newington because it was a wonderful rugby moment, but like their 1st try - it was from a Joeys turnover.

I won't write too much about the Joeys lads as they would be mostly the same comments as in the last couple of weeks, though I note that replacement scrummie Makasini had a better game by sniping more and threatening to at other times, which fixed defenders.

Twos - Joeys 15 New 12 - Joeys scored 3 tries to 2 but there wasn't a lot in it. 9 Curtin of Joeys looked good in his comeback game and passed the wet ball well. For New, I liked the look of the fullback, a rangy hard lad, who looks like a good footie player.
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wreckless

Bob Loudon (25)
Not sure if we were watching the same game, because from what I saw most of the major calls (i.e decisions on tries etc.) went towards Newington.

I agree - same story in the 2nds! The 2 penalties that New received in the 2nds must have been major calls - the 20+ that Joeys were awarded obviously were not! ;)
 
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elcapitano

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an interesting game between newington and joeys, however newington forwards not as dominate as most would think, joeys to outplay them upon the return of watts, sandell and murphy. Jack watts could very well be the most underated player in gps football this year!
 

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Peter Burge (5)
Lee,
OPL has only been playing front row for about 8 weeks. When he was in Year 10 he played blindside flanker in New's 2010 Championship team. He missed most of 2011 with injury. He could still play blindside - he's fit and mobile enough - but New think he is best for them in the front row due to his size (very big) and strength (considerable). It's still early days - I'm sure the scrummaging finesse will come with time.
 

Lee Grant

John Eales (66)
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Thanks RG - I seem to remember OPL elsewhere for New in the past playing 6 and another time at 8 when Luani didn't play, but sometimes I have senior moments and other times I think I may be having a senior moment and I actually am not.


If he is to be switched back to the back row I would play him at 8 but I wonder what the right path for him is? Changing to prop won't matter a lot with the schoolboys laws even for GPS but they could turn their noses at him at state level as some of the scrums in the Oz Championships are full on even though they are depowered. And will using him at prop put him on the wrong track as a senior player?


That was a top 2010 team wasn't it? 2. Roach 3. Allan A and 12. Apo will be playing for the Oz U/20 team next week.
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CTPE

Nev Cottrell (35)
So after three weekends of GPS teams trialling against each other we have the following results in firsts:

19th May:

Newington 19 def Kings 10
Joeys 17 def Scots 12

26th May:

Kings 35 def Shore 28
Joeys 38 def Riverview 28
Scots 19 def Newington 17

2nd June:

Newington 17 def Joeys 12
Shore 10 def Scots 7
Kings 12 def Riverview 10

Some observations on results:
  • Biggest winning margin is only 10
  • Average winning margin is approx 5
  • No team is unbeaten
  • Riverview is the only team yet to win but have only had two GPS trials
Some observations from previous posts: (happy to be corrected)
  • Joeys "take no prisoners" forwards have been their mainstay to date but their backline attack is yet to emerge and their defence out wide is suspect?
  • Scots have got some great potency in their backs especially speed wise but may be lacking some forward firepower?
  • Newington looking the goods all round with a very big and industrious pack and they also have two outstanding centres who have been creating havoc in attack and defence.
  • Kings have a very mobile and hard working pack and probably the most potent backline from 15 to 9 but need their forwards to be able to deliver them consistent ball.
  • Riverview have been very slow out of the blocks and need to spend the next 4 weeks working on their forwards fitness + they are looking pretty impotent in the backs to date.
  • Shore are hard working all over the park and are very, very capable of surprising a number of sides.
It would if anyone can add the seconds results to date to see which teams are looking the goods depth wise.

The next trial on 16th June sees the following match ups:

  1. Shore v Newington
  2. Scots v Riverview
  3. Joeys v Kings
  4. Grammar v High
 
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