Shute Shield 2013

[Knuckles]

Sounds great, instead of forceing the clubs provide them the template and let come back with their proposal of role out.

There are some team names, I would look at placing Nths with Manly & Warringah

Sydney Uni
Sunnybank
Vikings
??? - A combined team made up from players from Manly, Warringah, Norths???
South Harbour - A combined team made up from Easts, Randwick, Southern Districts
Western Sydney - A combined team made up from Wests, Parra, Penrith
North Harbour - A combined team made up from Norths???, Gordon, Eastwood

I went that way based on current playing strength. Think a combined Manly and Warringah side would be very strong. Not unhappy with your suggestions though

 

[Lindommer]

2 more teams from Brisbane (apologies for not suggesting the combinations, I know little about Brisbane geography and club strength and weaknesses)

And you're a retired Australian coach calling yourself "Knuckles"! At least have the good grace to put in a kind word for Brothers. BTW, they're doing OK at the moment, certainly better than Randwick.

 

[the coach]

I went that way based on current playing strength. Think a combined Manly and Warringah side would be very strong. Not unhappy with your suggestions though

You forgot Balmain

 

[Dave Beat]

You forgot Balmain

You say Balmain - throwing this out there for thought.
I think it went Balmain to Gebe to Drummoyne.
Balmain & Drummoyne merge and have another crack at the Shute Sheild & Penrith move on.
Penrith have had 15 years to work on the untapped nursery and nothing has developed.
Parramatta are doing the right things let them tap that talent.

 

[the coach]

You say Balmain - throwing this out there for thought.
I think it went Balmain to Gebe to Drummoyne.
Balmain & Drummoyne merge and have another crack at the Shute Sheild & Penrith move on.
Penrith have had 15 years to work on the untapped nursery and nothing has developed.
Parramatta are doing the right things let them tap that talent.

I was actually reminding everyone (tongue-in-cheek!) that it was Warren Livingstone (Balmain's president) who rekindled the fire about having a third tier.

I take your point about Penrith, but I'd like to suggest that their problem has not been finding and developing talent; rather it's been stopping the other clubs from pilfering it.

I'd be interested for someone in the know at Penrith to provide a list of ex-Penrith players who are currently playing with other Shute Shield clubs.

 

[Dave Beat]

I'd be interested for someone in the know at Penrith to provide a list of ex-Penrith players who are currently playing with other Shute Shield clubs.

15 years to resolve and fix that problem, i believe they have had substatial $ invested in them??

 

[the coach]

15 years to resolve and fix that problem, i believe they have had substatial $ invested in them??

Dave, I'm not disagreeing with you about whether they should stay in the Shute Shield, but I think the original idea of including them in the comp made sense ie to tap the talent in the outer west of Sydney. I'm just suggesting that although Penrith haven't developed as a force I suspect they have become a feeder club to other Shute Shield teams. I'm also not sure how much the NSWRU have actually assisted them, financially or otherwise.

 

[Orange Peeler]

Dave, I'm not disagreeing with you about whether they should stay in the Shute Shield, but I think the original idea of including them in the comp made sense ie to tap the talent in the outer west of Sydney. I'm just suggesting that although Penrith haven't developed as a force I suspect they have become a feeder club to other Shute Shield teams. I'm also not sure how much the NSWRU have actually assisted them, financially or otherwise.

 

[Orange Peeler]

Maybe NSW Country should take over the Emu's and join the Shute Shield

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

Maybe NSW Country should take over the Emu's and join the Shute Shield

I actually think it may be time to establish a 2nd Division at the senior level. Take the top 8 from the Shute Shield and there's your 1st Div. Take the bottom 4 add in the Illawarra and Hunter. That's six. All you need to do then is look for any ambitious clubs or areas to fill the other two spots. Promo/relegation with the last pace 1st div playing off against the 1st place div2 team.

 

[Blackers13]

I actually think it may be time to establish a 2nd Division at the senior level. Take the top 8 from the Shute Shield and there's your 1st Div. Take the bottom 4 add in the Illawarra and Hunter. That's six. All you need to do then is look for any ambitious clubs or areas to fill the other two spots. Promo/relegation with the last pace 1st div playing off against the 1st place div2 team.

Sounds sensible but unlikely to work because of the 4 grade structure. Do you base the relegation on Shute Shield or Club Championships? Does the second division receive participation grants? What happens to Colts? Wouldn't it be better to set some specific citeria that must be met, along with an audit process, then ramp up the funding to the existing Sydney Clubs. Sydney and Brisbane Premier Rugby is supposedly the 'third tier' of Australian Rugby. So treat it like that. $60-$80k a year is a joke as a grant for the third tier clubs.

 

[juniors spectator]

Earlier post states Easts in financial trouble but I have know of at least 3 prospective colts players for 2013 offered considerable amounts to sign on. Finances must be ok to be splashing good sums of money to colts players!

 

[the coach]

Earlier post states Easts in financial trouble but I have know of at least 3 prospective colts players for 2013 offered considerable amounts to sign on. Finances must be ok to be splashing good sums of money to colts players!

Is this another case (as with Randwick) of confusing the licenced club with the football club?
Is it the licenced club which is struggling financially or the football club?
Are they seprate entities at Easts?

 

[Done that]

Earlier post states Easts in financial trouble but I have know of at least 3 prospective colts players for 2013 offered considerable amounts to sign on. Finances must be ok to be splashing good sums of money to colts players!

I know of clubs , (no names), who make all sorts of promises to players to get them into the club but can't/don't fulfill their promises when it comes to the crunch.
There's a number of disallusioned players out there , wiser for the experience.

 

[Knuckles]

You forgot Balmain

no i didnt

 

[Knuckles]

Earlier post states Easts in financial trouble but I have know of at least 3 prospective colts players for 2013 offered considerable amounts to sign on. Finances must be ok to be splashing good sums of money to colts players!

they are 1 club. My understanding is they are in deeper than first thought. They have sold off the catering for all events and game days to get lease income and are in negotiations with the golf club to sell the gym.

I understand its the football club that continues to spend like drunken sailors and the bar sales have plummeted recently, thus placing everything in jeopardy

 

[Knuckles]

I have some concerns about Penrith next year. With Matt Briggs going to West Harbour and the apparent recruitment of quite a large number of players by Randwick it appears they'll once again struggle.

there's additional hearsay that a number of the players are following Briggs to Concord (not unexpectedly) and also a rumour their Kiwi Hooker has agreed to join Easts.

no disrespect to anyone at the club, but if these rumours are true, there won't be anyone of any worth left.

Does anyone know who the new coach will be?

 

[Eyes and Ears]

Penrith are pretty resilient IMO. They start with a new First Grade team just about every season.

 

[Ole Two Blue]

The Gordon power struggle is hardly a struggle. I think it will be a matter of handing the club over to the challenging group consisting of Hartill and Co.

They seem to have pretty much all the player support.

Will Hartill Coach or Generally Manage?
What happens to Jason Grier and Matt Briggs after the takeover?

 

[Tahboy]

I heard Penrith and Randwick got a band 3 in the ARU review so both clubs lose about 15k from there funding which will no doubt hurt Penrith in particular.