Wallabies Watch

[lewisr]

Sir Arthur Higgins Beales tackle rate this year is 73 percent compared to Quades 83 percent. Check up on your bloody facts before you start belittling other people.

fatprop I actually think Beale is fine. But I also don't think its an argument that can be used against Quade as was clearly intended here. So I was pointing out the double standard I guess. They are both quite similar players in my opinion and they tear it up with JOC (James O'Connor) when on the field together.

 

[Scoey]

agree. his defense is quite good and when at 15 it's typically been excellent.

somebody sad QC (Quade Cooper) isn't getting any love??

Ugh . Really? Pretty unnecessary comment.

 

[Braveheart81]

As an experiment, let's start talking about the front row and then see how long before the discussion is related back to Quade Cooper in some way.

Similar to Godwin's Law, I think we'll call this one Hodor's Law.

 

[barbarian]

Sir Arthur Higgins Beales tackle rate this year is 73 percent compared to Quades 83 percent. Check up on your bloody facts before you start belittling other people.

fatprop I actually think Beale is fine. But I also don't think its an argument that can be used against Quade as was clearly intended here. So I was pointing out the double standard I guess. They are both quite similar players in my opinion and they tear it up with JOC (James O'Connor) when on the field together.

Do you have a source for that stat?

Because I have heard numbers that contradict it.
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[fatprop]

Sir Arthur Higgins Beales tackle rate this year is 73 percent compared to Quades 83 percent. Check up on your bloody facts before you start belittling other people.

fatprop I actually think Beale is fine. But I also don't think its an argument that can be used against Quade as was clearly intended here. So I was pointing out the double standard I guess. They are both quite similar players in my opinion and they tear it up with JOC (James O'Connor) when on the field together.

At S15, Cooper is consistently been hidden in defense by the Reds and stuck at 15, so his easier load can't be compared to a unit who still may miss tackles, but while defending in the line

Beale has also successfully played for the Wobs, while consistently defending in the front line as a 10, when Cooper was playing at 10 was sent to the wing while Digby et al did his work closer in.

 

[fatprop]

As an experiment, let's start talking about the front row and then see how long before the discussion is related back to Quade Cooper in some way.

Similar to Godwin's Law, I think we'll call this one Hodor's Law.

We could even award a t-shirt

http://www.zazzle.com.au/hodor_shirt-235834809746665533

 

[Rassie]

Its not a 10's job to bring the big guys to ground. He just need to hold him up for a loosie to come and bring him down.

 

[lewisr]

Do you have a source for that stat?

Because I have heard numbers that contradict it.
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Verusco Statistics. Apparently theyre the people who supply the ARU with figures. It was quoted in an article.

 

[lewisr]

At S15, Cooper is consistently been hidden in defense by the Reds and stuck at 15, so his easier load can't be compared to a unit who still may miss tackles, but while defending in the line

Beale has also successfully played for the Wobs, while consistently defending in the front line as a 10, when Cooper was playing at 10 was sent to the wing while Digby et al did his work closer in.

I feel like we'll just be back at stage one if I try and argue this as I'll just be repeating things that have been stated time and time again. So, Braveheart81 I'll try my best to resist I swear haha.

 

[Bruwheresmycar]

As an experiment, let's start talking about the front row and then see how long before the discussion is related back to Quade Cooper in some way.

While I was researching front row stats on my stolen laptop. I noticed that Ben Alexander was getting over the advantage line more than most props in our national team. So shocked at this point, I threw a beer at my neighbor, as he had lost the bet we had in regards to this matter.

I then converted to islam after calling my arab stockbroker who manages my French and Japanese investments, me and him will appear in a celebrity boxing match next week.

 

[barbarian]

Verusco Statistics. Apparently theyre the people who supply the ARU with figures. It was quoted in an article.

Could I have a link to the article? Would be interested to read.

According to Fox Sports Quade is around 71%, Beale is about 60%.

Am not disputing the tone of your comment, but Quade's figure seems unusually high there. His defence has improved but it isn't THAT good.

Last year Beale defended very competently up in the line at 10. He goes around the legs every time, unlike Quade who tends to go in too high.
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[wamberal]

Statistics only tell part of the story, of course. A lot depends on subjective factors. How often does a player attempt difficult tackles, which he might have avoided? How many tackles are head-on, versus side-on or from behind?

 

[oztimmay]

agree. his defense is quite good and when at 15 it's typically been excellent.

somebody sad QC (Quade Cooper) isn't getting any love??

Nope. Perhaps he needs a bear hug to make him happy?

 

[Athilnaur]

[deleted stat reference in futile attempt to avoid Hodor labelling] As a rebels supporter I will say Kurtley has had a very rusty year in defense. But I console myself with minutes 7 to 10 of the below the last time Kurtley teamed up with O'Connor.

 

[Sir Arthur Higgins]

Sir Arthur Higgins Beales tackle rate this year is 73 percent compared to Quades 83 percent. Check up on your bloody facts before you start belittling other people.

fatprop I actually think Beale is fine. But I also don't think its an argument that can be used against Quade as was clearly intended here. So I was pointing out the double standard I guess. They are both quite similar players in my opinion and they tear it up with JOC (James O'Connor) when on the field together.

can you get 2012 statistics when they both played more consistently? not much to run off for KB (Kurtley Beale) this year.

i actually posted gareth's comments because i thought they were relevant given his status as a IRB hall of fame fly half, not as a pot shot at any one player.

if i wanted to use something against quade i'd post highlights of the world cup and last years rugby championships.

 

[Sir Arthur Higgins]

Statistics only tell part of the story, of course. A lot depends on subjective factors. How often does a player attempt difficult tackles, which he might have avoided? How many tackles are head-on, versus side-on or from behind?

does slipping and falling over backwards onto your ass count as an attempted tackle and therefore a missed one or does it get logged into some other category.

 

[Sir Arthur Higgins]

Nope. Perhaps he needs a bear hug to make him happy?

i know someone who's not playing who can help us out.

 

[TOCC]

can you get 2012 statistics when they both played more consistently? not much to run off for KB (Kurtley Beale) this year.

i actually posted gareth's comments because i thought they were relevant given his status as a IRB hall of fame fly half, not as a pot shot at any one player.

if i wanted to use something against quade i'd post highlights of the world cup and last years rugby championships.

You brought the Quade subject up, now you're just sounding like a broken bloody record..

 

[Sir Arthur Higgins]

Its not a 10's job to bring the big guys to ground. He just need to hold him up for a loosie to come and bring him down.

he should be able to do it though....and i would say that if a big fella runs at him, it is his job to bring him down

 

[Sir Arthur Higgins]

You brought the Quade subject up, now you're just sounding like a broken bloody record..

by seeing if there's more info to compare so i may, as requested, make a more informed comment than my previous one?

KB (Kurtley Beale)'s played a handful of games this year and most of them when the rebels were an absolute mess defensively across the backline, so i think looking at a broader set of stats would be better. don't see what's wrong with that.