Qld Premier Rugby 2013

[tigerland12]

I've been at work all day so haven't had a chance to comment, it's not me sulking
Souths were great I thought, Easts were ordinary, but the better team won on the day. The Souths work at the breakdown and structures in tight was well executed, they deserve to be in the running for the finals

I know Souths are meant to be Easts rivals, but I can't help but have a lot of respect for them, such a pleasant club to be at (my team to watch when Easts are playing on the coast), the club should be very happy with how they are presenting themselves off the field and also how they are performing on it.

 

[RugbyReg]

terrific to see Souths doing so well throughout the grades too. It was a great vibe at Chipsy Wood on Saturday and I am personally really happy for them. Have always had a soft spot for the Magpies.

 

[FilthRugby]

In regards to the Bros v Bank match, a pretty ordinary display for the Brethren. It's not some much in my opinion that Sunnybank won it, it was Brothers losing it. Too many mistakes and drop ball which could have resulted in tries. Credit to the Bank though, a good side with lots of size. The number 3 is a cannonball, with solid runs creating a few holes in the defense.

It's great to see Souths going well. I too have a soft-spot for them. They are a team that most players from other clubs hold in high regards in terms of playing against and club culture. I would have to say we are second to them in that regard.

 

[Cat_A]

Agree with all the pro-Souths sentiments on these forums. Lovely place. bonus points for the chicken salt availability.

Also I don't think I've ever haven't been to Souths ever when there wasn't at least one Kefu present. I think the family has had a pretty big hand in developing and shaping the club culture over the years - really good people.

 

[Pieman]

So much Magpie Love happening here. Much appreciated, but don't try to soften us up. It won't work!!!!!

 

[thierry dusautoir]

i am torn over souths. I like going to chippsy to watch and find the place has a nice ambience. however i find souths always seem to get a little disrespectful & rabid at the kennel. Memories of them taking off the wests victory song in 2011 after winning on the hooter just to spite club champion nick gregorski on his last game come to mind. And some ugly events in lower grades come to mind however the latter i present at any club i should add

 

[Cat_A]

I was at Souths for a 5th or 6th grade game (not sure which) on Saturday night after their Old Boys Day thierry dusautoir and I heard them doing the "Take Me Home Chipsy Wood" version of the club song - it sounded like they'd sung it many many times before.

And I agree with you about the ugly events in lower grades - one of the Uni guys ended up with a broken nose, fractured orbital floor and fractured cheekbone after he was kicked with the heel of a boot; while the Uni player was injured I have no doubt blows etc were being traded both ways - 5th grade is no place for the faint-hearted! I have no doubt that every lower grades team thinks the other teams are dirty and underhanded, and I think they all might be right.

 

[an observer]

Two losses from two starts is still a failed campaign, irrespective of how well they played against NZ. Not giving the Irish enough respect cost us dearly, coaches have a lot to answer for.

Agreed. The game plan was disastrous from the start. Cannot believe they didnt run the ball, but then again as my previous post said, they had no room. Interesting reading posts on here of who should be in or out etc etc. Bottom line is lack of preparation. No games as a team in front of decent sized crowds. No acknowledgement of the lads individual skill sets by creating a game plan that didnt suit them as a team. First game was not so great, and from there they have paid the price. Game against NZ was much better, and the game against Fiji even better again. This wasnt due to any individual, it was due to the lads gelling as a team. Lets hope they play Argentina with confidence and back themselves and use the skills they were picked for. Imagine how they might perform if they had three decent trial matches under their belts?

 

[SouthernX]

. however i find souths always seem to get a little disrespectful & rabid at the kennel. Memories of them taking off the wests victory song in 2011 after winning on the hooter just to spite club champion nick gregorski on his last game come to mind.

I think you'll find that Nick Gregorski had the last laugh that season when he captained his Premier grade Wests outfit to a upset victory over Brothers at Crosby Rd leading to Souths taking out the spoils of 2011 wooden spooners.

PLUS the boots have been unhung. Gregorski was last seen running around this past Saturday for Wests 2nd grade against Norths.

 

[Xavier jenkins]

Talking of club spirit and culture I was disappointed when I ventured to Crosby road on my way out to the nest. (Had to stop
By and see what the hype was about with brothers prem colts) a small scuffle occurred on the try line after sunnybank scored a try, I'm all for a bit of push and shove, I believe a few handbags were thrown. To my disbelief the boy from sunnybank running touch (well over the age of colts) stepped In and threw several punches into a young brothers player amongst the scuffle causing it to blow out further and had to be forcibly removed from the field by sunnybank staff. Not in the spirit of rugby and left a bad taste in my mouth for what i once thought was a nice club. Shame for sunnybank

 

[The Oldest Rat]

Watched the Wests V Norths game and it was a tough grind in the first half but Wests turned the screws up in the second stanza. I thought that the fullback Byron Hutchinson added some starch to the Wests backline and Sam Green had a good game directing traffic and he is quite good at goal kicking. On this performance he should be OK for next year. Norths were strong in the forwards but Wests ground them down over the game. Now if Wests could play like this every week they might improve but they are hot and cold. Still not impressed with Genia as a premier HB he does everything right but lacks that little bit extra that you need in this grade.

 

[Jets]

In regards to the Bros v Bank match, a pretty ordinary display for the Brethren. It's not some much in my opinion that Sunnybank won it, it was Brothers losing it. Too many mistakes and drop ball which could have resulted in tries. Credit to the Bank though, a good side with lots of size. The number 3 is a cannonball, with solid runs creating a few holes in the defense.

It's great to see Souths going well. I too have a soft-spot for them. They are a team that most players from other clubs hold in high regards in terms of playing against and club culture. I would have to say we are second to them in that regard.

On the first point Jeremiah Fatialofa has been great for the club. Came across form NZ last year and played 2nd and 1st grade before sitting on the bench for premier in the finals. Has worked hard on his fitness in the off season to cement his spot in Premier. He's the son of former Samoan test great Peter. An absolute top guy, although quite scary looking. Is a cannonball in attack and some of his hits in defence make me worry for the safety of the opposition.

As for your second point hating the filth is a necessity in Brisbane Club rugby. Having gone to catholic school, all of my friends and team mates played there , and playing for Uni for 10 years on top of that it becomes ingrained into you. The thing is though that as the years have passed I've come to respect the tight knit culture they have and what they bring to the competition. They are also great guys to get on the drink with. Still hate them all though, the cheating bastards.

 

[Tez T]

And I agree with you about the ugly events in lower grades - one of the Uni guys ended up with a broken nose, fractured orbital floor and fractured cheekbone after he was kicked with the heel of a boot; while the Uni player was injured I have no doubt blows etc were being traded both ways

The Uni player received the damage from a punch, dealt in response to the Uni player kicking heads in a ruck, 5m from play (from the Referee's report). The Souths player rightly received a red from the ref and a six weeks from the judiciary.
The Uni Player was also red-carded. I'm not aware of how the judiciary handled his actions, but I'm pretty sure he won't do it again.

None of this sort of thing should be in any grade.

On the brighter note:

I heard them doing the "Take Me Home Chipsy Wood" version of the club song - it sounded like they'd sung it many many times before.

Souths have proudly "lifted" West's club song and adapted it for our homeground. It is not only sung to rile the Doggies, but it is a bit more fun when it is.

 

[Cat_A]

Thanks for the info Tez T. The player told me he was kicked, but he was also out of it. I'd assume/hope the penalty for the Uni player would be similar; I should've been clearer- just because it happens, doesn't make it ok!

Linking this back to Premier grade for a moment- we have a fifth grade player receive 6 weeks from a punch (or a series of punches) based almost entirely on the report of a referee. I'm not arguing with that at all. But in previous posts we've discussed the surprisingly lenient suspensions in Premier grade. Any ideas on why there's such a discrepancy?

 

[SouthernX]

Thanks for the info Tez T. The player told me he was kicked, but he was also out of it. I'd assume/hope the penalty for the Uni player would be similar; I should've been clearer- just because it happens, doesn't make it ok!

Linking this back to Premier grade for a moment- we have a fifth grade player receive 6 weeks from a punch (or a series of punches) based almost entirely on the report of a referee. I'm not arguing with that at all. But in previous posts we've discussed the surprisingly lenient suspensions in Premier grade. Any ideas on why there's such a discrepancy?

Maybe cause when they review the premier grade footage they see a lot of jersey collar punches (harmless) , eskimo kissing headbutts & nipple rubbing chesty bumps.

IDK but a referee will always have his account & is about as believable as your mate who told you he caught a fish this { ______________ } big.

 

[Cat_A]

I see where you're coming from SouthernX but isn't it weird that we place so much more weight or stock in the referee's report while we're simultaneously questioning the believability (yep - made up a word) of his/her account of the game?

There's a heavier punishment handed down with less evidence, and the evidence is arguably poorer quality, I guess is my point.

 

[thierry dusautoir]

I see where you're coming from SouthernX but isn't it weird that we place so much more weight or stock in the referee's report while we're simultaneously questioning the believability (yep - made up a word) of his/her account of the game?

There's a heavier punishment handed down with less evidence, and the evidence is arguably poorer quality, I guess is my point.

its quite a farce isn't it?

I had to along to a couple junior judiciary hearings before and it is the same thing. They read the refs report then ask the player his view and the accompanying adult their view. Then highlight how certain aspects of the report contradict the story or ask for clarification. Then sometimes they as if they are guilty more or less.

I after the interview there is hardly any point saying no as there is no video at junior level. So the ref reports stand, and i would suggest that in the heat of a moment a ref's report couldn't be any better than if a player filled it out.

League have a better system I think.

 

[runsonrum]

The Uni player received the damage from a punch, dealt in response to the Uni player kicking heads in a ruck, 5m from play (from the Referee's report). The Souths player rightly received a red from the ref and a six weeks from the judiciary.
The Uni Player was also red-carded. I'm not aware of how the judiciary handled his actions, but I'm pretty sure he won't do it again.

None of this sort of thing should be in any grade.

As far as I have been advised from a reliable source is that the Souths player is a trained boxer/cage fighter, who, at the judiciary, testified that he wasn't kicked, or stomped by the Uni player, and it was the Souths bloke to throw the first of two punches, in retaliation to being struck in the side of the head with the Uni players thigh. For that he has received a six week suspension.

The Uni player was suspended for two weeks based upon the referee's report that he had kicked and punched the Souths player repeatedly; even though the testimony of both players contradicted the ref's report, hence I summise the leniency. The ref is the sole judge of fact and cannot be cross-examined according to IRB Laws.

The Uni player now needs surgery for broken eye socket, cheek, nose and is out for the rest of the season.

 

[Red Heavy]

The worst I have ever seen was in the lower grades Uni v club X (doesn’t matter which one) 10+ years ago.

A fight broke out with the usual handbag stuff nothing too serious. The ref broke it up and then pulled over the captains from both sides and the main offending club X player. While the ref was talking to the captains the other bloke just snapped lunged forward and head butted the uni captain (one of the most outrageous things I have ever seen on a footy field). It dropped the captain, fracturing the blokes eye socket in 6 places (he didn’t realize at the time and played the remainder of the game which could have ended pretty badly as you could imagine.) and later needed surgery.

They went off to the judiciary with the bloke getting 6 weeks for the indiscretion.

But the Uni captain also got 6 weeks as well because the club X coach (a qualified referee) said he saw him rucking the offending players head. The actual ref in the game had seen nothing so it was all on the club x coaches word.

Only thing was it couldn’t have been the uni captain as he actually took the ball up that play and was tackled on the ground.

Now I am sure there would have been a reason the fight started and no way am I saying the uni team was innocent, even though they all said no one was rucking, something obviously happened to start it all whichever team/individual was at fault. I was also not privy to all the info other then living with the uni captain at the time

But 6 weeks on the opposition coaches word is very tough. I remember they fought the decision but cant remember the result.

 

[tigerland12]

Team X has to be Brothers right?