3rd tier is back in 2014 [Discontinued]

[Dave Beat]

I ??think?? there is thought about playing games at Brookvale Oval as I
??think?? the comp will be run after the NRL season.

There maybe a team playing at west - who knows as not a lot is filtering down so we are only guessing.

 

[Lindommer]

That's just the northern side. The resurrected Western Sydney Rams have plenty of choices starting from Concord Oval and Millner. I'd prefer they play at Parramatta, St Marys or Penrith.

 

[en_force_er]

Rat Park? I thought the idea was to grow the game.

Sydney's demographic centre is west of Parramatta. If we do not start to act as though rugby is welcoming to the whole population we richly deserve to die out.

He didn't even mention the Western Sydney team.

 

[suckerforred]

I guess like many of you I think that the devils is going to be in the detail so we will have to wait and see exactly what the Pulveriser has come up with.

To ALL of those clubs that are bitching/ or thinking of bitching, don't care where you are based, suck it up. We all need to look at what is good for the code as a whole, not just your little corner of it.

 

[Rugby Central]

PS: I'm also not convinced that the likes of Matt Giteau and Drew Mitchell etc would be prepared to give up playing in Europe to come back and play in this comp. The timing will clash so it would have to be one or the other and I'd guess it will be 10 years or more (if ever) that the proposed comp will be able to match the money on offer from European and Japanese clubs.

For someone usually so well informed your immediate leap to the assumption, despite me categorically stating otherwise, that we try to entice Giteau et al. is misguided. Five or more levels below Aviva Premiership there is more money and opportunity than is offered by SS. There are 100's of players leaving our shores or going to league every year because there's literally nothing in Australian Rugby for them.

They don't have the connections and once overlooked for academy selection they have no opportunity to pursue a career in rugby. You ask, where would they come from? They would come back to where they always wanted to be but where they were shut out because of stubborn ignorance from the Australian Rugby establishment.

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

That's just the northern side. The resurrected Western Sydney Rams have plenty of choices starting from Concord Oval and Millner. I'd prefer they play at Parramatta, St Marys or Penrith.

Marconi Stadium would be another option as would Syndey United's set up.

 

[Drew]

With regards giteau and Mitchell, I doubt they'd leave the south of France to play for (at a guess) a quarter if the money. I could be wrong. I personally can't see it being a worthwhile enterprise unless club rugby shadows super rugby and 3T shadows test rugby. If not it will just reshuffle the same players until super rugby players come through and change the whole comp. sounds like club rugby right now. We need players in an elite competition at test time so if injury/form slump occurs there is someone playing at that moment. Dave Dennis being called up to the wobs a month after playing for uni and winning by cricket scores doesn't really help him or the wobs.

 

[the coach]

For someone usually so well informed your immediate leap to the assumption, despite me categorically stating otherwise, that we try to entice Giteau et al. is misguided. Five or more levels below Aviva Premiership there is more money and opportunity than is offered by SS. There are 100's of players leaving our shores or going to league every year because there's literally nothing in Australian Rugby for them.

They don't have the connections and once overlooked for academy selection they have no opportunity to pursue a career in rugby. You ask, where would they come from? They would come back to where they always wanted to be but where they were shut out because of stubborn ignorance from the Australian Rugby establishment.

I was trying to make the point that money talks for many of the players you're talking about. Unless the money on offer is worthwhile they will continue to go where they've gone before. Don't forget the intro of the Rebels and Force into the Super was supposed to stop players going elsewhere as well, but it clearly didn't.

 

[wamberal]

I would love to see the ARU go all out to make inroads into the islander kids who should be playing rugby, but are being snaffled by the other code (as my schoolboy days coach put it).

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

I would love to see the ARU go all out to make inroads into the islander kids who should be playing rugby, but are being snaffled by the other code (as my schoolboy days coach put it).

That's why the presence of a Western Sydney team is vital. There are very large Islander population in and around Penrith, Campbelltown and Blacktown.

 

[Dave Beat]

I would love to see the ARU go all out to make inroads into the islander kids who should be playing rugby, but are being snaffled by the other code (as my schoolboy days coach put it).

So would I!!!
But if they do make a fist of it, get to Super Rugby, and then get selected by their Island nation there is discussions in the Rebels thread that they then become a marquee player - the ruling is very vague.
So there for we need to have the same rule as NZ with regards to the islanders - they do not fall under the Marquee Player structure.

 

[Bowside]

Reviewing the original poll - it looks like the we're going to get a super B and an end of season comp.

I have to say I'm a bit surprised to see that the ARC rehash is so popular. I really hope they only go with 1 Queensland team, because the ballymore tornados/east coast aces were both shithouse ideas for teams.

IMO the only place that should have two teams is sydney - an east sydney team and a west sydney team. And stuff the half baked nicknames, just call them west sydney and east sydney.

 

[Dave Beat]

Well put!
I think 3 NSW teams though Nth / South / West. and likewise screw the crazy names (IMO)

 

[Bowside]

I was trying to make the point that money talks for many of the players you're talking about. Unless the money on offer is worthwhile they will continue to go where they've gone before. Don't forget the intro of the Rebels and Force into the Super was supposed to stop players going elsewhere as well, but it clearly didn't.

It sort of has. All the Western Australians are signed to the force - they've got about 7 of them all up now.

Lot of victorians still playing for other teams but that might change in time. There is already talk of Lealiifano heading to melbourne next season - I bet they make Tapuai an offer he can't refuse as well.

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

I would love to see the ARU go all out to make inroads into the islander kids who should be playing rugby, but are being snaffled by the other code (as my schoolboy days coach put it).

So would I!!!
But if they do make a fist of it, get to Super Rugby, and then get selected by their Island nation there is discussions in the Rebels thread that they then become a marquee player - the ruling is very vague.
So there for we need to have the same rule as NZ with regards to the islanders - they do not fall under the Marquee Player structure.

I think the pint with the whole marquee structure is to ensure the vast majority of playing talent is available for national selection and it should stay that way.

 

[mudskipper]

Perhaps clubs, be it Super clubs or old school established clubs should apply for a spot in a comp and have to show a funding plan including travel and facilities models in their applications... clubs need real drive and good admin management behind them or they will just suck the financial viability out of any third tier model and kill it... ARU can work out sponsors and top up for each team after… It will also then only attract clubs and organisations that are really committed to the comp... There was far too much moaning last time from Sydney clubs who in reality were heading into receivership anyway...

 

[Bowside]

Perhaps clubs, be it Super clubs or old school established clubs should apply for a spot in a comp and have to show a funding plan including travel and facilities models in their applications. clubs need real drive and good admin management behind them or they will just suck the financial viability out of any third tier model and kill it. ARU can work out sponsors and top up for each team after… It will also then only attract clubs and organisations that are really committed to the comp. There was far too much moaning last time from Sydney clubs who in reality were heading into receivership anyway.

These teams will be run by the state unions/super franchises (which are being re-merged in most states I think). They might sell the second sydney team to private investors but who knows.

 

[Jets]

Reviewing the original poll - it looks like the we're going to get a super B and an end of season comp.

I have to say I'm a bit surprised to see that the ARC rehash is so popular. I really hope they only go with 1 Queensland team, because the ballymore tornados/east coast aces were both shithouse ideas for teams.

IMO the only place that should have two teams is sydney - an east sydney team and a west sydney team. And stuff the half baked nicknames, just call them west sydney and east sydney.

So in a 10 team comp you only want 1 team from Qld? I think there is a good argument for 3 at the moment but think it may end up at 2. They need to work on the branding though. East Coast Aces has to be one of the worst names for a team. I'd like to see a South Brisbane Bunyips team.

 

[Bowside]

So in a 10 team comp you only want 1 team from Qld? I think there is a good argument for 3 at the moment but think it may end up at 2. They need to work on the branding though. East Coast Aces has to be one of the worst names for a team. I'd like to see a South Brisbane Bunyips team.

Where is a south brisbane team going to play in south brisbane?

If we go a second Qld team it will be on the coast I reckon. And if I was at the coast at the start of summer, I'd probably rather spend time at the beach.

I'm firmly in the less is more camp when it comes to this third tier. We want legit teams, with high standards of players, supporter base and facilities.

 

[the coach]

I've decided I'll wait until the ARU decides to tell the people who pay at the gate what they've signed off on before commenting any further. Discussing it now is like trying to predict what an incoming government will do compared to what they said they'd do during the election campaign