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boyo

Mark Ella (57)
Tony Abbott pays price for broken promises
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...price-for-broken-promises-20140518-38hzw.html

"The harshest and most unpopular federal budget in nearly two decades has slashed support for Tony Abbott's Coalition government before it has even reached its first anniversary, plunging it into a potential poll trough from which it might never recover.
Australians have passed a severe judgment on the Abbott-Joe Hockey formula, branding it unfair, bad for the country and based on broken promises."

"In another surprisingly weak result for the government, nearly six out of 10 voters, or 56 per cent, said they were opposed to scrapping the mining tax and nearly half, or 46 per cent, were opposed to dumping the carbon tax."
 

boyo

Mark Ella (57)
High interest uni fee loans will force parents to abandon private schools

LETTERS

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/smh-letters/high-interest-uni-fee-loans-will-force-parents-to-abandon-private-schools-20140518-zrgcc.html#ixzz327Sojrre

"Abbott knew the fiscal facts before the election and still he made promises he knew he would not keep. I believe that is the definition of lying at a fundamental level."

"Tony Abbott has said he expects to have to horse trade with the senators in the new Senate but how can they trust him to keep any promises he makes? He has shown that his word is definitely not his bond."

"Spare a thought for the embarrassment of Bronwyn Bishop. Imagine having it made public that you were the puppet of Christopher Pyne."
 

boyo

Mark Ella (57)
Budget 2014: Is this the Australia we really want to be?

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/budget-2014-is-this-the-australia-we-really-want-to-be-20140516-zrevn.html#ixzz327ZZbj6V


"If you were a moral philosopher, your jaw would have dropped at the new depths of hypocrisy and the extent of promise-breaking implied by the budget. Even in a climate of unprecedented cynicism about political integrity, you might have assumed that this Prime Minister, having relentlessly attacked Labor for three years over its broken promise on the carbon tax, and having repeatedly declared that no election promises would be broken, would have shown some restraint."
 

redstragic

Alan Cameron (40)
They just showed an ALP ad here in Brisbane promoting Abbots lies. The campaign to put the boot in has well and truly started. Abbot and Co love a scrap, how much of a distraction will all the feuding become? Is the country headed for a minor paralysis unless someone gives ground?

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Ruggo

Mark Ella (57)
They just showed an ALP ad here in Brisbane promoting Abbots lies. The campaign to put the boot in has well and truly started. Abbot and Co love a scrap, how much of a distraction will all the feuding become? Is the country headed for a minor paralysis unless someone gives ground?

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Yeah but Abbott has got a glass jaw.
 

boyo

Mark Ella (57)
Coalition bats on but it's game over for Tony Abbott

LETTERS

"It was Prime Minister Bob Menzies who said: “It is not enough to be right, you must carry the people.” And isn’t that Abbott’s problem?"

"I hope the backlash against the Abbott government and its disgraceful budget will cause politicians finally to take notice (‘‘Abandoned’’, May 19). We are fed up with lies, deceit, spin and being treated like fools. We must now demand to be respected and heard by those who were elected to serve us. Maybe a succession of one-term governments is needed before they wake up. The age of politicians telling us what is best for us and how we should live is over."

"Hugh Mackay is right about inequality in Australian society, something completely overlooked in this budget (‘‘A blue-blood budget’’, May 19). Most wealth inequality is the result of capital accumulation and the government has left this completely untouched."

"Senior members of the federal government have unequivocally claimed that Medicare in its present form is unsustainable. That being so, how does the proposed co-payment help correct this situation?"

"Is it not ironic that we are to spend some $24 billion on defence aircraft – while Australia's current major threat is from Canberra?"

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/smh-letters/coalition-bats-on-but-its-game-over-for-tony-abbott-20140519-zrhae.html#ixzz32D9p2pjD
 

Runner

Nev Cottrell (35)
Australia’s AAA credit rating at risk: S&P

20 May 2014

A lack of “political will” and failure to rein in spending were key reasons cited by S&P in September when it cut West Australia’s rating. Photo: Bloomberg
Jacob GreberEconomics correspondent

Ratings agency Standard & Poor’s is warning Australia’s prized AAA credit rating could be reviewed unless substantial cuts are made to the budget in coming years.
In an unusually forthright warning, a lead sovereign analyst for S&P, Craig Michaels, said he was counting on the Abbott government to win Senate approval for at least “some” of its $37 billion in planned savings against opposition from Labor, which has pledged to veto about $18 billion in cuts and tax rises.
“We’re looking to see the government improve budget performance over the next few years,” Mr Michaels said in an interview.
If it looked as though “sizeable budget deficits were considered acceptable at the political and the community level then we might reassess, certainly, government commitment and also potentially the trajectory for public sector debt,” he said.
A cut to Australia’s rating would drive up the government’s borrowing costs and be a huge political blow.
S&P’s comments may serve as a wake-up call for opponents of the budget, including Palmer United Party leader Clive Palmer, who argues there is no need for big cuts to the $48 billion deficit because of the AAA rating.
It coincides with a revolt from state premiers enraged by $80 billion in cuts to health and education and a collapse in support for the government after record numbers of voters judged the budget to be unfair and likely to leave them worse off.
However, by emphasising the need for budget repair, S&P has put Australia on notice that its rating is dependent on decisions made today, rather than events of the past. “We’re looking for action,” Mr Michaels said.
A leading credit analyst, Martin Whetton at Nomura, said the S&P comments suggest any back-down by the government on budget repair would be frowned upon by S&P.
“If the government chooses to substantially water down its proposals because of the political cost, that is the sort of thing that would concern rating agencies looking at Australia over the longer term,” he said.
Budget block ‘unhelpful’


Bank of America Merrill Lynch Australia chief economist Saul Eslake said it would be “unhelpful” if the government’s budget measures were blocked.
“I’ve always said just because Canada has debt-to-GDP of 39 per cent doesn’t mean we could run ours up to the same level and keep our rating,” he said.
“Our banks have lots of liabilities which ratings agencies now recognise could become government liabilities in the wrong circumstances.”
A lack of “political will” and failure to rein in spending were key reasons cited by S&P in September when it cut West Australia’s rating.
Mr Michaels said the federal government wasn’t guilty of a lack of political will “at this stage”.
Still, the S&P analyst said he would pay close heed to the upcoming Senate clash over the budget after Labor last week indicated it would oppose cuts to the dole, student loans and family tax payments.
“We won’t really try and second-guess what the outcome will be, but we’ll look at the outcome of the negotiating process through the parliament and have a look at the fiscal outlook on the back of that,” he said.
He said the deficit had widened because of the global financial crisis and that tax revenue is “not as structurally as strong as it appeared before”.
Mr Michaels emphasised Australia was unusual among the 12 nations granted S&P’s gold-plated rating because it relies heavily on foreign investors for capital, including its major banks, Westpac, Commonwealth Bank, National Australia Bank and ANZ Bank.
‘External position is very weak’


“Australia is fairly unique among AAA-rated sovereigns in that its external position is very weak,” he said.
“What that means is that to retain the AAA rating, everything else needs to remain very strong, including public finances.
“So we would be looking for a narrowing of budget deficits as evidence of ongoing commitment to running finances prudently,” he said.
Mr Michaels said the rating was “not on a knife edge” and the government still has “a bit” of wriggle room over the pace of budget repair. But he warned major setbacks would force a rethink by the agency, one of three that rates Australia with the highest possible rating.
Tuesday’s budget showed Australia would accumulate $60 billion in deficits over the next four years, returning to surplus no earlier than 2018-19. In the midyear budget update, the government had forecast $123 billion in shortfalls over that period.
Despite the size and run of deficits, ratings agencies assume Canberra will restore the budget to surplus and pay down debt, expected to peak at 14 per cent of gross domestic product.
While that figures is lower than most other comparable AAA-rated nations – and less than half the net debt of Canada – Australia’s rating carries an implicit assumption the federal government would bail out local banks in a crisis.
Mr Michaels said it would give S&P “some pause for concern” if this week’s budget backlash was a “fundamental shift in the community’s attitude to what they expect from government.
“The risk is that if the electorate becomes much less supportive it becomes much harder for governments to make the hard calls.”
Mr Michaels said chances of Australia being downgraded stood at one in three, “at most.”
“Provided deficits remain relatively small and we see the government committed towards balance over the medium term and debt remains comfortably low, then there’s not immediate pressure on the rating.”
 

boyo

Mark Ella (57)
Aussies steamrolled by Abbott and mining giants

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-...olled-by-abbott-and-the-mining-giants/5461094

"Just how the Government reconciles its confusing and contradictory position on resources taxes is a mystery and one most economists and almost all the media choose to ignore.
It opposes a resources tax on minerals, specifically iron and coal. But it embraces a resources tax on petroleum."

"So just as the mining tax is about to reap benefits for the nation, just as the revenue will start to flow, the Federal Government will axe it."

"Why should resource companies pay more? The simple answer is that these resources are non-renewable. And the resource giants don't own them. They merely have a right to exploit them. The resources themselves belong to the states that for more than a century have charged royalties."

"It is worth realising too that it is not just Australia targeting resource companies. Resource rich nations throughout the developed world and in developing Africa have indicated a desire to reap a greater share of the spoils from one-off developments.
The other great argument advanced by the mining lobby is that such a tax would deter future investment. You don't need to look far to debunk that myth. Every major multinational energy company has spent the past decade scouring Australian waters for oil and gas.
That's despite a Petroleum Resources Rent Tax that has been in place since 1987. Not one cent in foreign investment has been deterred by that tax. And two years ago, global petroleum companies happily agreed to have that tax extended to operations on Australian soil."
 

boyo

Mark Ella (57)
Budget fairness goes up in (cigar) smoke

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-19/maccallum-budget-fairness-goes-up-in-cigar-smoke/5461390

"This whole triumphalist Budget is built around the proposition that there is a sucker born every minute. Didn't the Coalition prove that last September? "

"To start with, the cruel hoax of the budget emergency was finally put to rest with massive new spending on business tax cuts, roads, medical research and, of course, on Abbott's much derided paid parental leave scheme."

"And even sillier is the pretence that all the money raised by re-indexing fuel excise (for all but the miners, farmers and truckies, of course, who will continue to get theirs subsidised by the rest of us) will be spent on building highways for the motorists who buy the petrol."

"A tax (or for that matter a levy, a duty, a tithe or a tariff) is raised to be used by the government as it sees fit, and anyone who supposes otherwise is a candidate for the first scammer who comes by with an offer of a lease on the Sydney Harbour Bridge. But that is hardly to worry Abbott, Hockey and Cormann as they peddle their nauseating snake oil around the country."
 

boyo

Mark Ella (57)
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Bullrush

John Hipwell (52)
Australia’s AAA credit rating at risk: S&P

20 May 2014

A lack of “political will” and failure to rein in spending were key reasons cited by S&P in September when it cut West Australia’s rating. Photo: Bloomberg
Jacob GreberEconomics correspondent

Ratings agency Standard & Poor’s is warning Australia’s prized AAA credit rating could be reviewed unless substantial cuts are made to the budget in coming years.
In an unusually forthright warning, a lead sovereign analyst for S&P, Craig Michaels, said he was counting on the Abbott government to win Senate approval for at least “some” of its $37 billion in planned savings against opposition from Labor, which has pledged to veto about $18 billion in cuts and tax rises.
“We’re looking to see the government improve budget performance over the next few years,” Mr Michaels said in an interview.
If it looked as though “sizeable budget deficits were considered acceptable at the political and the community level then we might reassess, certainly, government commitment and also potentially the trajectory for public sector debt,” he said.
A cut to Australia’s rating would drive up the government’s borrowing costs and be a huge political blow.
S&P’s comments may serve as a wake-up call for opponents of the budget, including Palmer United Party leader Clive Palmer, who argues there is no need for big cuts to the $48 billion deficit because of the AAA rating.
It coincides with a revolt from state premiers enraged by $80 billion in cuts to health and education and a collapse in support for the government after record numbers of voters judged the budget to be unfair and likely to leave them worse off.
However, by emphasising the need for budget repair, S&P has put Australia on notice that its rating is dependent on decisions made today, rather than events of the past. “We’re looking for action,” Mr Michaels said.
A leading credit analyst, Martin Whetton at Nomura, said the S&P comments suggest any back-down by the government on budget repair would be frowned upon by S&P.
“If the government chooses to substantially water down its proposals because of the political cost, that is the sort of thing that would concern rating agencies looking at Australia over the longer term,” he said.
Budget block ‘unhelpful’


Bank of America Merrill Lynch Australia chief economist Saul Eslake said it would be “unhelpful” if the government’s budget measures were blocked.
“I’ve always said just because Canada has debt-to-GDP of 39 per cent doesn’t mean we could run ours up to the same level and keep our rating,” he said.
“Our banks have lots of liabilities which ratings agencies now recognise could become government liabilities in the wrong circumstances.”
A lack of “political will” and failure to rein in spending were key reasons cited by S&P in September when it cut West Australia’s rating.
Mr Michaels said the federal government wasn’t guilty of a lack of political will “at this stage”.
Still, the S&P analyst said he would pay close heed to the upcoming Senate clash over the budget after Labor last week indicated it would oppose cuts to the dole, student loans and family tax payments.
“We won’t really try and second-guess what the outcome will be, but we’ll look at the outcome of the negotiating process through the parliament and have a look at the fiscal outlook on the back of that,” he said.
He said the deficit had widened because of the global financial crisis and that tax revenue is “not as structurally as strong as it appeared before”.
Mr Michaels emphasised Australia was unusual among the 12 nations granted S&P’s gold-plated rating because it relies heavily on foreign investors for capital, including its major banks, Westpac, Commonwealth Bank, National Australia Bank and ANZ Bank.
‘External position is very weak’


“Australia is fairly unique among AAA-rated sovereigns in that its external position is very weak,” he said.
“What that means is that to retain the AAA rating, everything else needs to remain very strong, including public finances.
“So we would be looking for a narrowing of budget deficits as evidence of ongoing commitment to running finances prudently,” he said.
Mr Michaels said the rating was “not on a knife edge” and the government still has “a bit” of wriggle room over the pace of budget repair. But he warned major setbacks would force a rethink by the agency, one of three that rates Australia with the highest possible rating.
Tuesday’s budget showed Australia would accumulate $60 billion in deficits over the next four years, returning to surplus no earlier than 2018-19. In the midyear budget update, the government had forecast $123 billion in shortfalls over that period.
Despite the size and run of deficits, ratings agencies assume Canberra will restore the budget to surplus and pay down debt, expected to peak at 14 per cent of gross domestic product.
While that figures is lower than most other comparable AAA-rated nations – and less than half the net debt of Canada – Australia’s rating carries an implicit assumption the federal government would bail out local banks in a crisis.
Mr Michaels said it would give S&P “some pause for concern” if this week’s budget backlash was a “fundamental shift in the community’s attitude to what they expect from government.
“The risk is that if the electorate becomes much less supportive it becomes much harder for governments to make the hard calls.”
Mr Michaels said chances of Australia being downgraded stood at one in three, “at most.”
“Provided deficits remain relatively small and we see the government committed towards balance over the medium term and debt remains comfortably low, then there’s not immediate pressure on the rating.”


When Australia's AAA rating came up earlier, didn't someone say something like:

"You may also remember that the agencies gave some European countries the same rating as well as Goldman Sach. Reliable arn't they."

?
 

Ruggo

Mark Ella (57)
Australia’s AAA credit rating at risk: S&P

20 May 2014

A lack of “political will” and failure to rein in spending were key reasons cited by S&P in September when it cut West Australia’s rating. Photo: Bloomberg
Jacob GreberEconomics correspondent

Ratings agency Standard & Poor’s is warning Australia’s prized AAA credit rating could be reviewed unless substantial cuts are made to the budget in coming years.
In an unusually forthright warning, a lead sovereign analyst for S&P, Craig Michaels, said he was counting on the Abbott government to win Senate approval for at least “some” of its $37 billion in planned savings against opposition from Labor, which has pledged to veto about $18 billion in cuts and tax rises.
“We’re looking to see the government improve budget performance over the next few years,” Mr Michaels said in an interview.
If it looked as though “sizeable budget deficits were considered acceptable at the political and the community level then we might reassess, certainly, government commitment and also potentially the trajectory for public sector debt,” he said.
A cut to Australia’s rating would drive up the government’s borrowing costs and be a huge political blow.
S&P’s comments may serve as a wake-up call for opponents of the budget, including Palmer United Party leader Clive Palmer, who argues there is no need for big cuts to the $48 billion deficit because of the AAA rating.
It coincides with a revolt from state premiers enraged by $80 billion in cuts to health and education and a collapse in support for the government after record numbers of voters judged the budget to be unfair and likely to leave them worse off.
However, by emphasising the need for budget repair, S&P has put Australia on notice that its rating is dependent on decisions made today, rather than events of the past. “We’re looking for action,” Mr Michaels said.
A leading credit analyst, Martin Whetton at Nomura, said the S&P comments suggest any back-down by the government on budget repair would be frowned upon by S&P.
“If the government chooses to substantially water down its proposals because of the political cost, that is the sort of thing that would concern rating agencies looking at Australia over the longer term,” he said.
Budget block ‘unhelpful’


Bank of America Merrill Lynch Australia chief economist Saul Eslake said it would be “unhelpful” if the government’s budget measures were blocked.
“I’ve always said just because Canada has debt-to-GDP of 39 per cent doesn’t mean we could run ours up to the same level and keep our rating,” he said.
“Our banks have lots of liabilities which ratings agencies now recognise could become government liabilities in the wrong circumstances.”
A lack of “political will” and failure to rein in spending were key reasons cited by S&P in September when it cut West Australia’s rating.
Mr Michaels said the federal government wasn’t guilty of a lack of political will “at this stage”.
Still, the S&P analyst said he would pay close heed to the upcoming Senate clash over the budget after Labor last week indicated it would oppose cuts to the dole, student loans and family tax payments.
“We won’t really try and second-guess what the outcome will be, but we’ll look at the outcome of the negotiating process through the parliament and have a look at the fiscal outlook on the back of that,” he said.
He said the deficit had widened because of the global financial crisis and that tax revenue is “not as structurally as strong as it appeared before”.
Mr Michaels emphasised Australia was unusual among the 12 nations granted S&P’s gold-plated rating because it relies heavily on foreign investors for capital, including its major banks, Westpac, Commonwealth Bank, National Australia Bank and ANZ Bank.
‘External position is very weak’


“Australia is fairly unique among AAA-rated sovereigns in that its external position is very weak,” he said.
“What that means is that to retain the AAA rating, everything else needs to remain very strong, including public finances.
“So we would be looking for a narrowing of budget deficits as evidence of ongoing commitment to running finances prudently,” he said.
Mr Michaels said the rating was “not on a knife edge” and the government still has “a bit” of wriggle room over the pace of budget repair. But he warned major setbacks would force a rethink by the agency, one of three that rates Australia with the highest possible rating.
Tuesday’s budget showed Australia would accumulate $60 billion in deficits over the next four years, returning to surplus no earlier than 2018-19. In the midyear budget update, the government had forecast $123 billion in shortfalls over that period.
Despite the size and run of deficits, ratings agencies assume Canberra will restore the budget to surplus and pay down debt, expected to peak at 14 per cent of gross domestic product.
While that figures is lower than most other comparable AAA-rated nations – and less than half the net debt of Canada – Australia’s rating carries an implicit assumption the federal government would bail out local banks in a crisis.
Mr Michaels said it would give S&P “some pause for concern” if this week’s budget backlash was a “fundamental shift in the community’s attitude to what they expect from government.
“The risk is that if the electorate becomes much less supportive it becomes much harder for governments to make the hard calls.”
Mr Michaels said chances of Australia being downgraded stood at one in three, “at most.”
“Provided deficits remain relatively small and we see the government committed towards balance over the medium term and debt remains comfortably low, then there’s not immediate pressure on the rating.”

Runner, If you are going to post an article, can you please add the link or cite the source which you got it from?

Cheers.
 

Runner

Nev Cottrell (35)
When Australia's AAA rating came up earlier, didn't someone say something like:



?

Different context.

I don't rate the agencies for a whole lot of reasons.

However, other contributors do. They felt that ALP did a good job getting AAA there and that our debt was not so bad. Here I used it to show the same group, ALP, who put it in place and say how important it is putting it at risk by suggesting they will not pass the cuts.

If they do this then the concept of putting the economy above politics, as Howard in opposition did for Hawke, will end. ALP hard heads should remind the children in charge that it ca swing both ways.

We could end up like the US with a President with good ambitions unable to do anything for entire presidancy due to the upper house.

The Greens will always be mad so why go with them to the mad house.
 

boyo

Mark Ella (57)
What's inside Joe Hockey's head?
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/whats-inside-joe-hockeys-head-20140520-zri5f.html

"Don’t think just because you voted for the Coalition Hockey is looking after you."

"Hockey wants us to believe he had no choice but to do what he did. I accept he had to get on with bringing the two sides of his budget back into balance, but he had a lot of choice in the measures he took to bring that about."

"Hockey’s most objectionable changes are the punitive treatment of the young jobless and the attack on Medicare’s principle of universality"

"I must warn you, however, of the one glaring exception to high income-earners’ insistence that tax increases be avoided at all cost (to other people). The one tax increase they lust after is a rise in the goods and services tax."
 

boyo

Mark Ella (57)
GST changes bad for the nation's waistline
LETTERS
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/smh-l...for-the-nations-waistline-20140520-zrii9.html

"No Joe Hockey, you were the only one calling it a rabbit. Everyone else was calling it what it is – a tax."

"It is becoming more obvious there needs to be a large proportion of the proposed medical research future fund directed to memory loss."

"Oh no! Our TV news showed Tony Abbott back in his campaign gear – dressed in a white lab coat. Next the hard hats and then how long until the daughters are rolled out to demonstrate his concern for families?"

"As a fashion statement, Tony Abbott has shown that sheep's clothing is so last year."
 

boyo

Mark Ella (57)
Hard truths falling on electorate's deaf ears
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/hard-truths-falling-on-electorates-deaf-ears-20140520-zri3t.html

"Blind Freddy could see, by last September, that either he would have to back off his pledge to balance the budget in a few years’ time, or he would have to break most of the other undertakings. But for months before the election, Abbott avoided interviewers who would challenge him to square the circle. "

"During the campaign last year, I wrote about the people who determine Australian elections - disengaged floating voters who, in democracies where participation in elections is voluntary, probably would not bother to vote at all."

"They will talk instead about the good sense of the Australian people, how you can’t pull the wool over our eyes, how we can spot a fake a mile away.
But apparently, many of us can’t, or won’t. Not if the fake is telling us what we want to hear. Not if he or she assures us that we don’t need to do anything about global warming; that debts can be eliminated by cutting waste, and deficits wished away by cutting taxes; that all is for the best in the best of all possible worlds."


 
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