Kurtley Beale

[Tah and feathered]

Is it a coincidence that Jake White quits his job and says he wants to coach at international level but there are no vacancies?
I believe that When everything comes out Link will be sacked and jake white will be appointed.
Link will then take over at Toulon at some stage.

 

[Lorenzo]

The players aren't fools. At some point in their lives they all would have been involved in a successful sporting program and they would all know what it takes to make one work. Hence why when they see a problem they report it, which is what we are led to believe senior wallabies did in 2013.

I think you give them a lot of credit.

I doubt many of these guys think about much more then getting their dicks wet or more twitter followers. Their complaint about her blurred position is fair, but I suspect she is the tour sergeant of sorts and their primary issue is that she's a young woman in what they consider a man's environment.

To think these guys sit around trying to formulate the equation for the winningest possible team dynamic is incredibly optimistic. it's more likely that she's the bad cop to link's good cop and the players resent her for it.

 

[Braveheart81]

I think you give them a lot of credit.

I doubt many of these guys think about much more then getting their dicks wet or more twitter followers.

 

[Train Without a Station]

Bow side I think looking at these guys like their outlook is the same as most of us (around 30 or over, mature(ish) and experienced) is flawed.

Most of these guys are under 25 and somewhat privileged and likely to be upset when hard decisions are made that affect them without considering if they are ultimately the long term right call.

 

[Bowside]

Plenty of employees hate managers who are doing nothing more than the role required.

I don't think you can compare a run of the mill office to something like a rugby season.

The wallabies performance has a lot to do with the mental aspect of their preparation. In a regular work place you do your job. In a high performance sporting environment your job is to be the best at what you do.

They have to believe their coach is the best, their s and c coach is the best, that their asics jersey is made of better fabric than the others, that their chef is cooking toasted sandwiches at breakfast that will improve their performance etc.

The wallabies players have to walk into that team meeting thinking "Di Patston is the best business manager in world rugby", and if they don't that is a problem.

 

[Train Without a Station]

That is never going to happen of her role is limited by budget for example

 

[Braveheart81]

Bow side I think looking at these guys like their outlook is the same as most of us (around 30 or over, mature(ish) and experienced) is flawed.

Most of these guys are under 25 and somewhat privileged and likely to be upset when hard decisions are made that affect them without considering if they are ultimately the long term right call.

At the end of the day, the team environment has to best fit the players who take the field.

It would be ridiculous for the coach to persist with a system that everyone hates and is causing a rift between the playing group and the staff. Even if it was considered an efficient option for the coach and perhaps the organisation as a whole in theory, if in practice it's doing the opposite, it can't be persisted with.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

I think there's been a pretty substantial shift in opinion since the revelations at 4pm yesterday about the Whatsapp part of the saga. I am certainly convinced now that Beale is gone whereas previously I had support for him and thought he could probably survive this.

Some of the diverting attention to Link at least from my perspective is that I think the Beale part is largely over. Sure there's going to be a disciplinary hearing etc. but I think he's a hundred to one shot to still be playing rugby in Australia.

Its funny.
Until I read that yesterday I was thumbs down for KB (Kurtley Beale).
Now I think he is marginal and its the other 2 who must go.
I don't really know why but i think it has something to do with the fact that they have completely compromised the integrity of the Wallaby ideal and KB (Kurtley Beale)'s response is regrettable but understandable and perhaps inevitable.
Like former flanker, and uncharacteristically for me, I actually see this is as an excellent chance to change the mindset. In some ways with this shit bubbling up through the duckboards its no wonder we were looking gun shy.

 

[Train Without a Station]

But I am just speculating. There's equal possibility she is just hopeless at her job too.

 

[Pfitzy]

Pfitzy, is her role just to do the dirty work though? Which is why the players dislike her.

Her job as I understand it is to organise shit for the touring party, and stay the fuck out of the player/coach dynamic. If she does that competently, then OK, she's doing her job. If that IS her role - apparently her precise area of responsibility is unclear.

The crux of the argument is that her presence and influence is messing with the team dynamic. Particularly insofar as her role is not clearly defined, and her relationship with McKenzie has unanswered questions as far as the playing group is concerned.

Yeah sure they're privileged, elite sportsmen. But if senior QLD players are going to Link with concerns, and not having them adequately answered, surely that allays your fears that this is just another NSW plot and that everyone is NOT, in fact, out to get QLD?

 

[Braveheart81]

Yeah sure they're privileged, elite sportsmen. But if senior QLD players are going to Link with concerns, and not having them adequately answered, surely that allays your fears that this is just another NSW plot and that everyone is NOT, in fact, out to get QLD?

Maybe the QLD players were the first to voice concern because they'd seen the same situation start to develop at the Reds previously?

 

[Pfitzy]

That is never going to happen of her role is limited by budget for example

Or competence.

 

[Slim 293]

Its funny.
Until I read that yesterday I was thumbs down for KB (Kurtley Beale).
Now I think he is marginal and its the other 2 who must go.
I don't really know why but i think it has something to do with the fact that they have completely compromised the integrity of the Wallaby ideal and KB (Kurtley Beale)'s response is regrettable but understandable and perhaps inevitable.
Like former flanker, and uncharacteristically for me, I actually see this is as an excellent chance to change the mindset. In some ways with this shit bubbling up through the duckboards its no wonder we were looking gun shy.

I hope you're not suggesting that the text messages were understandable?

Beale has to go, regardless of the others roles in this whole affair...............

 

[wamberal]

The players shouldn't hate the person doing the dirty work, they should respect the role she plays in the team, and understand why those decisions need to be made.

The head coach is responsible for the whole framework within which the playing group operates. He has to take ownership. Even apparently minor administrative decisions can have a big impact on team performance. He cannot pass the buck.

At the end of the day I would be looking at Pulver and his role in the whole sorry saga. He knows, we all know, that the health of the Wallabies is by far the single most important factor in the overall health of the code in this nation.

He has to know what is going on. It is a balancing act, he cannot micro-manage, but at the same time he has to direct and support the coach, and also ensure that the coach is managing all his staff, and the players, effectively.

If Beale goes it is a tragedy for the game. We should have done bette.


As for Link, at the very least he needs to be told in no uncertain terms to take all steps necessary to separate his personal life from his paid role.

 

[Lorenzo]

Yeah Beale is hosed. Cost of letting him go is probably 300 dollars worth of legal advice.

 

[Wilson]

At the end of the day, the team environment has to best fit the players who take the field.

It would be ridiculous for the coach to persist with a system that everyone hates and is causing a rift between the playing group and the staff. Even if it was considered an efficient option for the coach and perhaps the organisation as a whole in theory, if in practice it's doing the opposite, it can't be persisted with.

There are clearly issues but I'm not sure everyone hates the system/her role in it, the early articles mentioned players being very happy with the job she was doing. Things do seem to have fallen out of whack at some point and restructuring is in order though.

 

[Braveheart81]

There are clearly issues but I'm not sure everyone hates the system/her role in it, the early articles mentioned players being very happy with the job she was doing. Things do seem to have fallen out of whack at some point and restructuring is in order though.

If the Reds players were amongst the first to question her increasing role within the team and the first concerns were raised in November only months after Link started as coach and we've progressed to where things stand now, it surely is an unmitigated disaster.

 

[No4918]

The wallabies players have to walk into that team meeting thinking "Di Patston is the best business manager in world rugby", and if they don't that is a problem.

I'd be happier if they were more worried about themselves being the best in the world. If more of them were concerned about there own performance instead of looking to blame others for there failings I doubt this thread would be 50+ pages and growing fast.

 

[Pfitzy]

If Beale goes it is a tragedy for the game. We should have done bette.

Wamberal old son, if you're suggesting for a moment that Kurtley hasn't had all the fucking help anyone in his situation could reasonably expect, then you're right off the rails.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

That is never going to happen of her role is limited by budget for example

Then they've got to walk into that team meeting thinking "Di Patston is the best business manager in world rugby in a situation where funds are limited", and if they don't that is a problem.