Kurtley Beale

[TahDan]

You conflating multiple issues here.

Anything relevant to Patston's character is completely irrelevant to Kurtley Beale unless somehow you're able to correlate the biting habits of spiders with the sexual harassment perpetrated by a rugby player.

It may be the case that Patston wasn't suited to the role she was put in. It may be the case that she could have handled matters better once they started unfolding. Neither of those things have anything to do with Kurtley Beale.

It is clear that Patston's actions were reasonable for someone who had been sexually harassed.

Those actions might not have been ultimately in her best interests if she wanted to remain employed by the ARU or in the best interests of the ARU in dealing with an issue but that is also irrelevant to what Kurtley Beale did.

All granted. Beale should be gone, and he should have been gone in June.

What's pissed me off about this is that it has been dragged on for months and dragged the game down with it. A story like this should have been open and shut, and the fact that it wasn't is the fault of Patston and McKenzie. It's been managed about as well as ASADA handled the Sharks and Bombers.

 

[Braveheart81]

Not strictly, but you'd be disingenuous if you were to tell me that you don't believe many civil cases are brought purely to force a settlement (hence the massive sums sought).

Again, I just think that if you blokes had read that someone tried to sue for half a mill over that you'd have rolled your eyes.

Well paint her as a vexatious litigant then.

You've described what she is doing as extortion which is entirely incorrect.

It would be like me calling you a Neanderthal if I wanted to accuse you of having low intelligence when in reality, that is completely incorrect because you're a homo sapiens like the rest of us.

 

[Train Without a Station]

So have I read it correct that Beale intended to send the message to Hanson and accidentally sent it to Patson, meaning Hanson never received it?

 

[Inside Shoulder]

All granted. Beale should be gone, and he should have been gone in June.

What's pissed me off about this is that it has been dragged on for months and dragged the game down with it. A story like this should have been open and shut, and the fact that it wasn't is the fault of Patston and McKenzie. It's been managed about as well as ASADA handled the Sharks and Bombers.

The fact it has dragged on is really the ARU's fault for agreeing to this cumbersome process.
The process is just an abdication of responsibility: we're not going to give ourselves the right to sack outright because then we'll finish up in court fighting wrongful dismissal/breach of contract cases, the outcome of which we will have no control over.
So let's put it in the hands of a kangaroo court so we don't have to make tough decisions and back our judgment. Trouble is they appointed someone who was completely independent to chair their tribunal and they lost control of that outcome too.
They need to have the courage to do as they see fit and wear the consequences - like every other organisation I can think of.

 

[Scoey]

BUT, I also am less than impressed with how all this has panned out over MONTHS, and based on some of the reports - one of which was based on court documents - I also reckon Patston's character isn't exactly squeaky.

But she is not the one on trial here. How do you not understand that? She is the victim! That's why its irrelevant. For whatever crimes against humanity you think she has committed, she's paid for them and then some.

 

[fatprop]

, but this is an individual who did try to sue a local council for hundreds of thousands over a spider bite.

as the spider was never known to (or charged) with sexually harassing her, wtf does it have to do with Beale's admitted sexual harassment of her?

 

[TahDan]

Well paint her as a vexatious litigant then.

You've described what she is doing as extortion which is entirely incorrect.

That's fair enough. I just get the sense here that people are being disingenuous about certain issues - like that suit - because of the surrounding context and the generally fervent anti-media sentiment here.

 

[It is what it is]

The fact it has dragged on is really the ARU's fault for agreeing to this cumbersome process.
The process is just an abdication of responsibility: we're not going to give ourselves the right to sack outright because then we'll finish up in court fighting wrongful dismissal/breach of contract cases, the outcome of which we will have no control over.
So let's put it in the hands of a kangaroo court so we don't have to make tough decisions and back our judgment. Trouble is they appointed someone who was completely independent to chair their tribunal and they lost control of that outcome too.
They need to have the courage to do as they see fit and wear the consequences - like every other organisation I can think of.

Yes but now with the benefit of hindsight, they would have faced a wrongful dismissal case and violated their CBA with RUPA.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

#spiderjustice

 

[fatprop]

That's fair enough. I just get the sense here that people are being disingenuous about certain issues - like that suit - because of the surrounding context and the generally fervent anti-media sentiment here.

You get to be wrong then, that suit has nothing to do with the current issues

 

[TahDan]

Look boys, I'll cop that. Won't bring it up again I promise.

I'm venting the spleen a little here today because I'm sick of this whole saga dragging the name of the game through mud and frankly I'm a little pissed that Patston just didn't hang him out to dry on June.

That may be unfair, but you'd all have to admit this whole thing has been frustrating on many levels.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Yes but now with the benefit of hindsight, they would have faced a wrongful dismissal case and violated their CBA with RUPA.

The CBA is the problem: as I understand it that is the source of the delay. They need to be able to act quickly and decisively.
They only face the wrongful dismissal case if they stuff up their assessment. If we all agree that the ARU management cannot be trusted to get their judgment correct as to when someone should be shown the door then we should all agree we have the wrong people in the jobs.

 

[No4918]

All granted. Beale should be gone, and he should have been gone in June.

What's pissed me off about this is that it has been dragged on for months and dragged the game down with it. A story like this should have been open and shut, and the fact that it wasn't is the fault of Patston and McKenzie. It's been managed about as well as ASADA handled the Sharks and Bombers.

You are still doing it. This is an issue you have with RUPA and the ARU. So now that that is cleared you can stop the irrelevant character assassination.

 

[Rugby Mum 2]

You mean you missed the bit where Beale was found guilty by tribunal, and admitted to sending an offensive message?

Such a f'witted comment. If you could read, I was referring to her comments to the journo in the Australian about implicating Hopper and then casting doubt over what KB (Kurtley Beale) said.

His evidence has been presented and an independent tribunal found him guilty. Hers has not.

 

[Sully]

C
C'mon Ash,
You can't seriously suggest that a journo passed up an opportunity to be able to quote her on this topic?

Yes

 

[Slim 293]

Such a f'witted comment. If you could read, I was referring to her comments to the journo in the Australian about implicating Hopper and then casting doubt over what KB (Kurtley Beale) said.

His evidence has been presented and an independent tribunal found him guilty. Hers has not.

Dennis Hopper is now involved?

This conspiracy runs deep..............

 

[fatprop]

Such a f'witted comment. If you could read, I was referring to her comments to the journo in the Australian about implicating Hopper and then casting doubt over what KB (Kurtley Beale) said.

His evidence has been presented and an independent tribunal found him guilty. Hers has not.

A witness isn't needed if the charged pleads guilty. The only thing that was challenged was the the second text, not that they were received, that was admitted.

 

[MarkJ]

Dennis Hopper is now involved?

This conspiracy runs deep......

Maybe Dennis thinks that Kurtz-ley is a "poet-warrior in the classic sense"

 

[Rugby Mum 2]

A witness isn't needed if the charged pleads guilty. The only thing that was challenged was the the second text, not that they were received, that was admitted.

Der, I know this. Her quotes in the paper haven't though have they genius?

 

[Rugby Mum 2]

Dennis Hopper is now involved?

This conspiracy runs deep......

Very petty and childish when clearly it was a spellcheck error.