Bledisloe 2 - Wallabies vs All Blacks, Wellington, 27 August 2016

[Gnostic]

Oh and I meant to add in my Part two, the NZ crowds are boorish and deserve a collective mooning of the sort dished out by the Scots to the English in Braveheart. Continuing to boo Cooper and other assorted parts of the game. What a bunch of Bogans.

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

Do you believe him after what he said regarding the eye gauging incident?

Do you believe a meeting took place? What evidence has TGC produced to show that it did? Extraordinary accusations (incl eye-gouging) require at least some substantiation, so far there's been none. I'd also suggest that ARU not referring Franks to the citing officer says they don't have much of a case against him.

 

[Gnostic]

Was Quade playing 10 on defense or hidden away on the wing or fullback?

He was dropping back as Foley had been been into a second 15 role. I don't think it can be said it was to shield Cooper when Foley has been doing it consistently under Larkham and To'omua as well at the Brumbies. Looks like a structural thing that obviously works so well.....

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

Was Quade playing 10 on defense or hidden away on the wing or fullback?

Bit of both. Wing for at least one of Dagg's tries, 10ish for Cane's

 

[Upthenuts]

Some interesting stats,
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/statscentre.cfm

Wallabies to make the springbok the next team to loose two games in a row.

 

[Gnostic]

Do you believe a meeting took place? What evidence has TGC produced to show that it did? Extraordinary accusations (incl eye-gouging) require at least some substantiation, so far there's been none. I'd also suggest that ARU not referring Franks to the citing officer says they don't have much of a case against him.

Some footage shows contact with the face. AFTER Poite told him to get away from the head.

ARU is that incompetent they probably didn't even remember the game was on or were too worries that their canapé's were not up to standard so I wouldn't hold out that as proof of anything.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

No angle issue its there in all its glory. Worse in this photo is Ref sees it warns him and plays on.

Pretty interesting dynamic in all this.
I've only seen the second half at this stage, but Poite's indifference to Pocock's injury makes hi unfit to referee at any level by reason of the simple fact that Pocock justified a concussion test and head Knocks are the number one IRB policing issue with player safety: his behaviour tells the watching world that head injuries to players on the lesser of 2 teams are not as important.
Secondly, whether Franks gouged or not Poite clearly eyeballs him making deliberate contact with head of a player: again the #1 IRB no no of the moment: so that's a penalty if not a card. Again the issue is the potential for serious head or other injury but the clown couldn't give a flying fuck because it's an Aussie.
Not speaking to our captain is less serious but given the cozy up mid week with Shags in breach of another IRB protocol suggests the basis for his arrogant Gallic dismissiveness is a well documented bias.
Does the guy know there were Aussies, indeed wallabies, on the Western Front too?
Finally we have no choice but to cite Franks as a result of Cheika's comments: if we don't we're just beaten whiners.

 

[Gnostic]

Some interesting stats,

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/statscentre.cfm



Wallabies to make the springbok the next team to loose two games in a row.

Your kidding aren't you. The Wallabies will be lucky to win against Argentina in Australia. I give them at best a 30% chance against the Bok in Brisbane and no chance at all in SA or Arg.

 

[teach]

I can't believe all the kiwi supporters backing Frank's up. Dirty bastards. It's unbelievable.

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If Franks is guilty, then he should be severely punished. That seems to be the vibe from Kiwis. I would be quite happy to support a lifetime ban for a deliberate eye gouge. If he is guilty.

I understand your need to get all morally outraged over it but I think it is a non event. I haven't seen anything yet from the wallabies camp complaining about Franks not being cited, so I suspect they know there is nothing in it, but are content to let it go on as a distraction from their performance. If I see Cheika doing his prune about the failure to cite Franks then I will suspect there may be an issue.

Interestingly the South Africans think he was just trying to block his vision rather than gouge. I am sure that if he had been eye gouged he would have at least put his hands to his eyes, or complained to the ref. Not once does he raise a hand to his supposedly gouged eyes. Nor does he start yelling at the ref.

 

[Shiggins]

I thought Reid was lucky not to be carded after the genia break as well. He just flopped all over the ball intentionally while we had a good chance of scoring out wide if he hadn't of

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[Upthenuts]

Your kidding aren't you. The Wallabies will be lucky to win against Argentina in Australia. I give them at best a 30% chance against the Bok in Brisbane and no chance at all in SA or Arg.

cheik and the wallabies have had five games to learn from, get angry about and find motivation. find a way to get the ball tothe lineout jumper and the saffas will be there for the taking, they always play harder againt the ABs but let their intensity down playing in australia

 

[Pedrolicus]

How, when the stats I saw have them missing over 30 tackles? That means their intensity and effort were better and scrambled better. The structure was still rubbish. Also the ABs dropped the pill lot more.

Did you just answer your own question?
Also did you miss me saying that there are structural issues?
Further did you think the defence was better in the first match?

 

[FrankLind]

Okay, so Quade is being hidden away on defense (wasn't sure)

When you know you will be hidden away, why learn to tackle???

Barrett was pretty bad tackler a few years back, as was Sopoaga.
But knowing they would not be moved to hide their deficiencies forced them to learn to tackle. Perhaps Chieka should do the same with Quade.

 

[Gnostic]

cheik and the wallabies have had five games to learn from, get angry about and find motivation. find a way to get the ball tothe lineout jumper and the saffas will be there for the taking, they always play harder againt the ABs but let their intensity down playing in australia

Form is the killer and I'm not seeing the structural basis for anything from the Wallabies. They have had 5 games with zero fundamental improvement, just a lift intensity in the last.

 

[teach]

Not speaking to our captain is less serious but given the cozy up mid week with Shags in breach of another IRB protocol suggests the basis for his arrogant Gallic dismissiveness is a well documented bias.
.

The meeting never happened. Cheika is lying or badly misinformed.

"Although he did meet with Jaco Peyper in Wellington, who'd refereed the previous Saturday's test in Sydney and was a touch judge at Westpac Stadium.
"It's quite sad that that's come out, because it's not true. Unless you say 'g'day Romain' in the morning [constitutes a clandestine meeting], he stayed here at this hotel," Hansen said on Sunday.
"But I did have a meeting with Jaco Peyper this week, at his request. Crono [All Blacks scrum coach Mike Cron] and I both got asked by him to review some of the stuff that he had seen in our game."

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/...-refuted-australias-claims-of-secret-meetings

 

[Shiggins]

If Franks is guilty, then he should be severely punished. That seems to be the vibe from Kiwis. I would be quite happy to support a lifetime ban for a deliberate eye gouge. If he is guilty.

I understand your need to get all morally outraged over it but I think it is a non event. I haven't seen anything yet from the wallabies camp complaining about Franks not being cited, so I suspect they know there is nothing in it, but are content to let it go on as a distraction from their performance. If I see Cheika doing his prune about the failure to cite Franks then I will suspect there may be an issue.

Interestingly the South Africans think he was just trying to block his vision rather than gouge. I am sure that if he had been eye gouged he would have at least put his hands to his eyes, or complained to the ref. Not once does he raise a hand to his supposedly gouged eyes. Nor does he start yelling at the ref.

He also grabs him around the throat. You can't play at someone's head. It's an instant yellow just for putting your hand there. It's definately going to be an off field red. If it isn't , I don't know who's paying off who.

The vibe from kiwis on social media is that there is nothing in it and the wallabies played much dirtier.

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[Gnostic]

Did you just answer your own question?

Also did you miss me saying that there are structural issues?

Further did you think the defence was better in the first match?

No the defence was not better. It was as bad. The structures remain bad. The intensity lifted is all, and the ABs dropped more pill. The Wallabies conceded 4 tries instead of 6 on a wet night. It was not better or worse, technically just as bad.

 

[Shiggins]

The meeting never happened. Cheika is lying or badly misinformed.

"Although he did meet with Jaco Peyper in Wellington, who'd refereed the previous Saturday's test in Sydney and was a touch judge at Westpac Stadium.
"It's quite sad that that's come out, because it's not true. Unless you say 'g'day Romain' in the morning [constitutes a clandestine meeting], he stayed here at this hotel," Hansen said on Sunday.
"But I did have a meeting with Jaco Peyper this week, at his request. Crono [All Blacks scrum coach Mike Cron] and I both got asked by him to review some of the stuff that he had seen in our game."

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/...-refuted-australias-claims-of-secret-meetings

As if he would admit to it

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[dru]

Pretty sure there's a 12-hour window for the match review official to cite someone & a 24-hour window for the teams to do so. At least that was the case last time it became an issue.

On the alleged gouging, Poite clearly saw what Franks was doing but chose not to penalise him. You'd think that if there was any question in his mind re: possible gouging he'd have gone back & asked Veldsman to have a look, as he did for the Coles "swinging arm" (that looked bad in slo-mo but in real time like probably every second or third ruck entry in any given match) Peyper (?) picked up.

WoB, agree completely on the Cole thing. In real time I was ready to talk yellow. Slowed down its was a powder puff decission. Its rugby for crying out loud, play on.

 

[Gnostic]

Okay, so Quade is being hidden away on defense (wasn't sure)



When you know you will be hidden away, why learn to tackle???



Barrett was pretty bad tackler a few years back, as was Sopoaga.

But knowing they would not be moved to hide their deficiencies forced them to learn to tackle. Perhaps Chieka should do the same with Quade.

How can you say that when as I said it appears to be the structure that Larkham likes with To'omua (a noted defender) being used in similar fashion from 10 at the Brumbies and Foley also when he was at 10?