Sydney Subbies 2017

[thetraitor]

Assume there was no video of the game done???

Actually I assume there absolutely must have been video clearly proving he didn't do it.

 

[Seagull Butler]

Just heard HH invoking some obscure rule postponing first grade because of the guys they have in the Subbies Rep side.

Fine if it's in the rules but seriously, stuffing opposing Subbies clubs around because one club chose to nominate their players for rep duty.

Maybe clubs could request a postponement because they have a huge injury toll. At least they've not chosen to lose the players for a weekend. Perhaps the entire Colts rounds can be postponed whenever there's a music festival on.

Pretty poor form. But I guess just like the rest of Australian rugby, the administrators have no idea who their members are or what they are doing there. So much for "The Game for the Game Itself"

Mate you need to really reconsider what you get upset about.

A) It's not that obscure, and it happened last year also, had been in the operations manual for at least as long as I've been here. According to subbiesveteran Petersham v PATS has also been deferred, and he/she knew enough about the rule to say that they thought the Forest/Mountains game may get deferred.

B) Subbies team selection process has changed see http://www.rugby.net.au/news/Subbies-Rep-Team-x-16029.html

C) We made the decision, and it was communicated on-wards on Monday. It's not like we allowed it to get to Friday and postponed then. I am not that sure how you feel this is stuffing the opposition around?

D) Take the rule out of subbies operations manual if you want and see how many players actually turn up for the squad knowing they'll miss club games.

 

[Footyhead#2]

Just heard HH invoking some obscure rule postponing first grade because of the guys they have in the Subbies Rep side.

Fine if it's in the rules but seriously, stuffing opposing Subbies clubs around because one club chose to nominate their players for rep duty.

Maybe clubs could request a postponement because they have a huge injury toll. At least they've not chosen to lose the players for a weekend. Perhaps the entire Colts rounds can be postponed whenever there's a music festival on.

Pretty poor form. But I guess just like the rest of Australian rugby, the administrators have no idea who their members are or what they are doing there. So much for "The Game for the Game Itself"

Your use of the word 'obscure' tells me you are new to Subbies rugby? This has happened every year for at least 10 years, probably 40 years. Any team with 2 or more players in the Rep team has the option to postpone the 1st Grade match.

The NSW Subbies team is the pinnacle of Suburban Rugby and is fully funded by Suburban Rugby so yes, it gets priority over regular fixtures.

 

[Heavyd]

SubbiesVeteran - I don't know how good a witness I would be as I am usually about 30 metres behind play.
The tackle before was bad from where I was with our player landing on his head - still doesn't justify kicking no matter how bad. Our player was charged with kicking from the touch judge report, and the referee initially gave the red card to our fullback, who was nowhere near the play.

Last night, our bloke pleaded not guilty, and the judiciary gave the sanction as not proven. This is a player that we would never have believed would do it, he's said he didn't do it and he's pretty much the nicest bloke in the team.

Hopefully he and the other 3 of our boys have a cracker for subbies this weekend.

So the guy got off? For kicking someone in the head?

 

[thetraitor]

So the guy got off? For kicking someone in the head?

As I mentioned above there *must* be video evidence clearly showing he didn't. Otherwise the judiciary is being inconsistent.

 

[Heavyd]

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As I mentioned above there *must* be video evidence clearly showing he didn't. Otherwise the judiciary is being inconsistent.

This needs to be confirmed. The judiciaries standing position is that referees are not human being's and therefore not capable of making a wrong decision. Some, and I say some players are getting 2 or 3 weeks for things that would be lucky to warrant a penalty during the game because their clubs don't video games to protect their players from refereeing howlers. If this bloke has got off without video evidence because he's a nice guy and a rep player then the whole thing is a joke.

 

[thetraitor]

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[Footyhead#2]

Exactly that's my point. The judiciary has been very clear that without video evidence then the ref's report is final, regardless of statutory declarations, witnesses, clean records, or "nice guys".

So if they have now changed their position, then it would appear to an independent observer that they're either being inconsistent or showing favouritism.

That's not fair on all the other blokes who have been found guilty and suspended for incidents that are much less serious than kicking somebody in the head. I'm sure most of them deserved the punishment, but I'll bet that at least *some* of them were nice guys whose version of events conflicted with the ref's report.

Why is why I can only assume there must be video evidence here. It would be great if this could be confirmed.

Not necessarily.

If the touchy's report and the ref's report do not match up and there are no visible injuries on the victim then the case can thrown out as inconclusive. It has happened with our club before.

 

[The Year Of]

I hear the guy had his head opened up, so you can't say he missed

 

[Rugby Central]

Hey Seagull,

I do not think too harshly of HH for doing this. It's in the rules and if notification happened on Monday then well done for communicating.

The spirit of Subbies is for guys just to play for fun. The rep program is fine of itself but why should players, who pay to play, have their weekends stuffed around because of a choice made by another club.

Take the rule out of Subbies operations manual if you want and see how many players actually turn up for the squad knowing they'll miss club games.

These are choices made by the players. They're not forced to do it. There's no financial gain to it (other than a free trip and kit - unless I'm missing something). They are receiving an experience for their talent and good luck to them. The question is why should other clubs have to postpone a match, stuff around with uneven alternate weekends and lose bar revenue (because most money goes over the bar during 1st grade matches) in order for these guys to get their experience. I'm also aware that this round is to used to raise funds and awareness for charity. To answer your question, this is how it stuffs clubs around.

The NSW Subbies team is the pinnacle of Suburban Rugby and is fully funded by Suburban Rugby so yes, it gets priority over regular fixtures.

Then what is Subbies for? Is it an avenue for players to have fun playing a great game with mates or is it a pathway to higher honours. The moment you prioritise rep duties over clubs then Subbies is most definitely not for the game it self. Maybe the Subbies Rep weekends should be the bye weekends if they are going to prioritise over the regular Club season.

I reiterate, this not a problem of HH making. I have a feeling we will probably not reach agreement as it comes down to what we respectively believe the purpose of Subbies Rugby is.

 

[Seagull Butler]

I hear the guy had his head opened up, so you can't say he missed

There was an melee from both sides for quite a while after the tackle (honestly it looked like AFL), enough time for me to actually get to it and try to pull guys out. Anything could have happened, including the possibility of a head clash in the actual tackle itself - I am not saying this is what happened but that there is a fallacy (post hoc ergo propter hoc) in your statement.

I'm also aware that this round is to used to raise funds and awareness for charity.

If that's the case then I am sorry it has happened this way, the coach and I (as club captain) discussed this on the Monday and speaking for myself, I didn't know this.

Is it an avenue for players to have fun playing a great game with mates or is it a pathway to higher honours

Why not both, as someone who has missed out on this (got close last year but left out of the squad after trying on kit for size & not playing anywhere near good enough footy this year), I would love to make the team. That said, it's not something that I think really leads any higher (i.e Waratah's) is it?


Note: apparently typing out the code yourself doesn't work as well as using the buttons.

 

[thetraitor]

That said, it's not something that I think really leads any higher (i.e Waratah's) is it?

Not with that attitude!

 

[Rugby Central]

Why not both, as someone who has missed out on this (got close last year but left out of the squad after trying on kit for size & not playing anywhere near good enough footy this year), I would love to make the team. That said, it's not something that I think really leads any higher (i.e Waratah's) is it?

Sadly because a choice has to be made. Either the few get their shot and miss club games or the majority have there pastime thrown into disarray so the team with rep players is not disadvantaged.

I personally disagree with it because the Clubs with resources and the ability to recruit talented players are given a second advantage by not having to play simply because a couple of their talented players are off on rep duty.

There is absolutely no suggestion of impropriety. If anything its a sign of a very well run Club. It's just that not all clubs have the same support, meaning resources and recruitment are subsidiary to survival.

If the competition was about developing talent or running a "product" then I would get it. But this is about weekend warriors who take the time to pursue their passion at their own expense being told, you're going to have to rearrange all your plans because a couple of guys have chosen to be somewhere else this weekend.

I am all for rep footy, just not at the expense of what is supposed to be the principle of Subbies Rugby. My suggestion is Rep football coincides with the wet weather weekends or post season.

Sorry to hear you missed out on the squad. Maybe next year.

 

[Heavyd]

Have to agree. If you want to play rep footy go to grade. Subbies Rep games need to move to bye weekends if they are to be maintained and supported by clubs. I imagine the crowd is 100 or 200 people so hardly worth putting so many others out at this time of year.

 

[fkj]

Not necessarily.

If the touchy's report and the ref's report do not match up and there are no visible injuries on the victim then the case can thrown out as inconclusive. It has happened with our club before.

I'm hearing that the game was videoed by Hunters Hill, but its being claimed in a tragic turn of events that the lens cap was left on. Damn shame that!

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[Prodigy]

PRODIGY'S TIPS
DIV 1
Petersham v St Pats - Would have been an interesting game if it had of gone ahead with the rep round. Congratulations to the players selected in the Rep Team.
Balmain v Colleagues - Interesting to see that this game is going ahead despite 7 players in the Rep team. Colleagues by plenty, given the depth of their club.
Mosman v Knox- Mosman by a far amount as well. Surprised they only have 1 rep player being the reigning Kentwell premiers.
Waverley v Drummoyne - Missing 3 vs Missing 1. Drummoyne to be too strong here 10+

DIV 2
Hawkesbury Ag vs Hills - These two used to play some ding-dong battles in Division 3. This should be a renewing of that rivalry. Close one. Matt Brinnand penalty to win it for Hills by 3.
HH v Lindfield- Another game deferred due to the rep round.
Forest v Mountains - Mountains are hitting some red hot form. They are a club that loves a bus trip and can pack a sledge or two. No worries with the Melwood crowd. Mountains by 20-30.
UNSW v Beecroft- If Beecroft are without Andy Carroll and captain Mick Daff they are going to find it difficult. UNSW by 14.

DIV 3
Epping v Valley- I'm always going to pick the Rams given 340 games for the club. This is a great rivalry between two similar clubs with another great contest in the boat race afterwards.
St Ives v Barker OBs - Barker bounced back last week and I think they'll be too good again.
Brothers v Redfield - Scoring 45 points and losing is rare but I don't expect Brothers to be able to put 46 on. The Burfitt boys are great support players and worked hard for their points last week.
Newport v Iggies - This will be a cracker. Newport have a good record at Porter and Iggies haven't made that trip in a while. Newport by less than 7.

 

[Nath]

Let's not get carried away with where subbies site in the greater scheme of oz rugby.

There's no point saying we'll only play this weekend if no-one is available to play you.
And do we really want to get hammered by country and be seen as in inferior comp?

 

[Johnny Drama]

I think they were meant to play Qld subbies the following week which is a bye. St Pats v Petersham on Thursday night 8/6/17.

 

[Heavyd]

The gurus tips:
Subbies rep team vs Cockatoos ....care factor zero.

DIV 1
Balmain vs COLLEAGUES
MOSMAN vs Knox
Waverley vs DIRTY REDS

DIV 2
HAWKESBURY AG vs Hills - this will be closer than most think as Hills are potential title contenders
Forest vs MOUNTAINs - am hearing over 20 players out across grades for Forest due to injury.... many of them season ending. Mountains by a thousand.
Unsw vs BEECROFT - the students will fancy their chances after flogging Forest last week but BEECROFT in a close one.

DIV 3
EPPING vs Hawk Valley - RAMs by 60
SAINTS vs Bobs - Going with SAINTS at home by 10 as will be two strong in forwards.
Brothers vs REDFIELD - Brothers on the improve but can only see REDFIELD by plenty.
Newport vs IGGIES - Like Forest i'm hearing 25+ players out injured. Will be harder back at the Portress but think IGGIES in a close one.

 

[OJLovedNicole]

DIV 1
Colleagues v Balmain - Colleagues by 30. Balmains lack of depth to be shown.
Mosman v Knox - Mosman by 30+. Mosman unbeatable at home.
Drummoyne v Waverley - Drummoyne by 10 in a low scoring affair.​

DIV 2
UWSH v Hills - UWSH by 9. Tough physical rugby but too big for Hills.​

Forest v Blueys - Blueys by 14. Long road trip for BM, but big issues at Forest, including a possible forfeit in lower grades.
Beecroft v UNSW - Beecroft by 5 despite being injury ravished.

DIV 3
Epping v Valley - Valley by 10. Big issues at Epping I hear and Valley to be too big.
St Ives v BOBS - BOBS by 10. Too much class.
Redfield v Brothers - Redfield to continue their decent form by 30+
Iggies v Newport - Tough trip but Iggies are the club of the year. Iggies by 10-15.

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