Where to for Super Rugby?

[Moono75]

If you stop attending games, who do you think gets hurt first and worst?

If professional rugby in Australia collapses, who do you think fills the power void? Professional rugby handed unprecedented power to the players that never existed in the amateur days.

If it all collapses, I guarantee those that will be the most powerful again are the people everyone dislikes the most. It will be the old boys/leather elbow patch brigade through and through.

In a game where the "dollars" talk, the only way to clearly deliver a message to the ARU is by not turning up to the game. Having a full house with people in Blue, sure that shows solidarity to the Force but it's not going to do anything. The ARU will just be counting the money on the ticket sales and saying "see people are OK with the decision, people still love rugby in WA, they will have forgotten this by next year."

 

[Melchior]

I'm missing a bit of what you meant by your post.

The point I am making is that a lot of people seem to have a belief that if the ARU and the state unions go broke it will be fantastic because it will see the end of the top end of town controlling rugby.

I tend to think it will be opposite and it will go back to how it was in amateur days where even more control was vested in the traditional powers in NSW and Qld.

I think it that is the case there will be a government enquiry re Soccer Australia and start off from the beginning with the new organisational structure and administration..it's probably needed now anyway...start from year zero and build from there.

 

[Rugbynutter39]

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/u...mpetition-to-take-on-aru-20170905-gyay7m.html

So happy to read this is happening as makes a sad day somewhat brighter.

I agree that one should not punish the players so if you enjoy your Super Rugby (I have just lost interest well before this with direction Super Rugby going) and Wallabies you should still support them and go to games.

 

[Braveheart81]

In a game where the "dollars" talk, the only way to clearly deliver a message to the ARU is by not turning up to the game. Having a full house with people in Blue, sure that shows solidarity to the Force but it's not going to do anything. The ARU will just be counting the money on the ticket sales and saying "see people are OK with the decision, people still love rugby in WA, they will have forgotten this by next year."

Ultimately, the top end of the ARU are the ones hardest to damage out of this.

The Exec who have already left have gone on to at least comparable roles and in some cases more prestigious roles.

Do you really think the board members will be dramatically hurt by this?

Who gets hurt first and hardest? The players and the people working in Australian rugby in the relatively low level jobs who are passionate about rugby.

 

[BLR]

I would go so far as to say that the Force in death have saved the Rebels via vital organ donations.

So because the Rebels can't sort their shit out we need to be the ones to save them?

There is no silver lining as the Rebels haven't learnt a thing.

 

[Killer]

In a game where the "dollars" talk, the only way to clearly deliver a message to the ARU is by not turning up to the game. Having a full house with people in Blue, sure that shows solidarity to the Force but it's not going to do anything. The ARU will just be counting the money on the ticket sales and saying "see people are OK with the decision, people still love rugby in WA, they will have forgotten this by next year."

I'm ambivalent, this will also be a good opportunity to show the world & our potential new Asian partners the passion in WA for rugby. Why it is a good idea to partner up with WA.
Also a chance to shove that rugby passion right in the ARU Boards face, you amoebas are actually the losers here.
This game will go world wide, the Force colours will be the talking point!
It will be another log on their funeral pyre.

 

[daz]

In a game where the "dollars" talk, the only way to clearly deliver a message to the ARU is by not turning up to the game. Having a full house with people in Blue, sure that shows solidarity to the Force but it's not going to do anything. The ARU will just be counting the money on the ticket sales and saying "see people are OK with the decision, people still love rugby in WA, they will have forgotten this by next year."

This makes sense. I assume that given any breakaway competition involving the Force means that any revenue from that comp will fund grassroots rugby in WA, why would the WA folk want to show support to the Wallabies, and by default, the ARU?

The breakaway comp players are unlikely to be sanctioned by the ARU and therefore will not be available for selection to play for the Wallabies, so why turn up to the Wallabies game at all?

 

[ACT Crusader]

In a game where the "dollars" talk, the only way to clearly deliver a message to the ARU is by not turning up to the game. Having a full house with people in Blue, sure that shows solidarity to the Force but it's not going to do anything. The ARU will just be counting the money on the ticket sales and saying "see people are OK with the decision, people still love rugby in WA, they will have forgotten this by next year."

Money does talk and that is why teams (OZ and SA) needed to be cut. This has nothing to do with the rights and wrongs of the Force being cut and that process specifically, but money has been a huge reason why it has come to this point.

So it follows that if there is a further hit financially that will bring more pain to fans.

 

[Proud Pig]

In a game where the "dollars" talk, the only way to clearly deliver a message to the ARU is by not turning up to the game. Having a full house with people in Blue, sure that shows solidarity to the Force but it's not going to do anything. The ARU will just be counting the money on the ticket sales and saying "see people are OK with the decision, people still love rugby in WA, they will have forgotten this by next year."

And if you fail to show up the ARU response will be "See, we told you Rugby is unsustainable in the West." It is a Catch 22 situation, the spin will be in whichever way you go.

 

[half]

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/u...mpetition-to-take-on-aru-20170905-gyay7m.html

So happy to read this is happening as makes a sad day somewhat brighter.

I agree that one should not punish the players so if you enjoy your Super Rugby (I have just lost interest well before this with direction Super Rugby going) and Wallabies you should still support them and go to games.

Interesting very interesting but by no means unexpected.

This old saying maybe apt for the ARU today.

"" Win the battle, lose the war"""

 

[Tex]

Come on, don't be so melodramatic. Realistically, the Rebels need the Force players and their coach, or we will be dead in the water within 2 years.

And lets not be coy here, at this stage, the Plan B spoken of by many Force players is the Rebels.

I would go so far as to say that the Force in death have saved the Rebels via vital organ donations.

Disagree Daz. I'm talking about how they stage manage the announcements.

 

[Braveheart81]

Disagree Daz. I'm talking about how they stage manage the announcements.

No doubt.

I don't think any of the other teams or players will be announcing decisions any time particularly soon.

Although maybe Roger Davis, the Waratahs Chairman will say something stupid in the press. That wouldn't be surprising.

 

[barbarian]

I think it that is the case there will be a government enquiry re Soccer Australia and start off from the beginning with the new organisational structure and administration..it's probably needed now anyway.start from year zero and build from there.

And the FFA has shown that even with a blank canvas to start from, it's still fucking hard to grow beyond traditional power bases. Where the FFA was once the darling of Australian sport, it's now once again a basket case, tearing itself apart while FIFA tries to change them.
.

 

[Derpus]

And the FFA has shown that even with a blank canvas to start from, it's still fucking hard to grow beyond traditional power bases. Where the FFA was once the darling of Australian sport, it's now once again a basket case, tearing itself apart while FIFA tries to change them.
.

Fifa want them to implement changes with complete disregard to the Australian sporting landscape.

 

[Moono75]

Ultimately, the top end of the ARU are the ones hardest to damage out of this.

The Exec who have already left have gone on to at least comparable roles and in some cases more prestigious roles.

Do you really think the board members will be dramatically hurt by this?

Who gets hurt first and hardest? The players and the people working in Australian rugby in the relatively low level jobs who are passionate about rugby.

An empty stadium broadcast to the world would be highly embarrassing to the ARU. The power of embarrassment is a great one.

 

[mst]

I'm missing a bit of what you meant by your post.

The point I am making is that a lot of people seem to have a belief that if the ARU and the state unions go broke it will be fantastic because it will see the end of the top end of town controlling rugby.

I tend to think it will be opposite and it will go back to how it was in amateur days where even more control was vested in the traditional powers in NSW and Qld.

I got you point.

Have you considered that reluctantly, but regretfully the majority of supporters want that to happen as its the only way to get rid of the incumbent old boys/leather elbow patch brigade that has put the game in this place as it the only way it will occur? Just remember that every Super Rugby franchise voted for this mess!

The reality is the script changed a few moths back when 2 out of the remaining 4 Super Rugby unions have heavy government investment / involvement (controlling interest) and its whats keeping them afloat and paying their way.

Also have a good look at the poster child for the incompetence via nepotism and incumbent old boys/leather elbow patch mates brigade of the Brumbies. Two more years of Government oversight after Jones hit the nail on the head, and they have implemented all his suggested changes and still the ACT government have forced more governance changes - and ironically another suppressed audit report.

The TV executives, sponsors etc will no longer accept their involvement due to the financial risk they bring.

I doubt the IRB will tolerate it.

I am actually waiting for someone to consider the possibility (very real based on the current arrangement) of the Pert Spirt and Fiji Drua jumping ship from the NRC to Twiggys comp.

 

[daz]

So because the Rebels can't sort their shit out we need to be the ones to save them?

There is no silver lining as the Rebels haven't learnt a thing.

With all due respect, we sold our license to the right party. The Force did not.

We learnt plenty.

 

[Moono75]

And if you fail to show up the ARU response will be "See, we told you Rugby is unsustainable in the West." It is a Catch 22 situation, the spin will be in whichever way you go.

that is a simplistic view. You don't think everyone would know exactly why no one had turned up to the ground.

 

[swingpass]

With all due respect, we sold our license to the right party. The Force did not.

We learnt plenty.

ouch

 

[Killer]

With all due respect, we sold our license to the right party. The Force did not.

We learnt plenty.

The aru had the option early to buy it for 5.7m, they chose not to, probably because of Clarke and Clyne?
I bet they regret it now, The Rebs would have died quietly, another master stroke by Clarke and Clyne.