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NRC onwards and upwards

Clarence

Stan Wickham (3)
Bridging from the Tonga RLWC post... I would support Tongan and Samoan NRC teams provided they only play one match in Tonga and Samoa. For them to be financially viable they need to base themselves out of larger population centres of developed countries e.g. West Sydney, South Auckland, *where ever else they are in NZ*.
 

kiap

Steve Williams (59)
Bridging from the Tonga RLWC post. I would support Tongan and Samoan NRC teams provided they only play one match in Tonga and Samoa. For them to be financially viable they need to base themselves out of larger population centres of developed countries e.g. West Sydney, South Auckland, *where ever else they are in NZ*.

If they're playing home games anywhere in NZ then their only chance would be something like a Mitre-10 expansion.

There's not a hope in Hades that NZR would allow a foreign team playing in a different foreign-controlled comp to have NZ home games, IMO.

It'd be Tonga/Samoa or the likes of West Sydney/Logan/etc in the NRC.

Or Twiggy's IPR.
 

WorkingClassRugger

David Codey (61)
Bridging from the Tonga RLWC post. I would support Tongan and Samoan NRC teams provided they only play one match in Tonga and Samoa. For them to be financially viable they need to base themselves out of larger population centres of developed countries e.g. West Sydney, South Auckland, *where ever else they are in NZ*.

It would have to be based here. NZ is a non-starter as Kiap points out. You could either look to run a combined squad or two individual squads but open them to diaspora players as well as a means of identifying more talent for the islands.
 

Clarence

Stan Wickham (3)
I certainly see NZR's problem with an external club playing on NZ soil... but do they really have that kind of power?
 

kiap

Steve Williams (59)
There was some talk of a vote being taken by RugbyWA members on whether to rename the Spirit to the Force. Some of the commentary from RUPA does not bode well for the Indo Pacific comp, but at least there will be a team from The West for another three years in the NRC — which was NOT on the agenda of the perfidious Rugby Australia initially.

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NRC: Perth Spirit wins lifeline under CBA

WAYNE SMITH: The Australian, January 11, 2018

It’s a slender lifeline at best but the future of the Perth team in the National Rugby Championship has been secured until the end of the current broadcast deal in 2020 by the collective bargaining agreement jointly announced yesterday by Rugby Australia and the Rugby Union Players Association.

According to RA, the future … was never in doubt. The only issue was whether the NRC itself might change, becoming either a national club championship or perhaps was merged with Andrew Forrest’s planned Indo Pacific Rugby Championship. Either way, according to the national body, it was always intended to maintain a Perth component.

RugbyWA chairman John Edwards remembers the conversation somewhat differently. When Perth’s Super Rugby team, the original Western Force, was about to be shut down, he recalls it was RA’s intention to also close the NRC team on the grounds it would quickly lose its competitive edge following the Force’s demise.

“It was definitely under threat,” Edwards told The Australian yesterday. “We had to fight hard to keep it. In the end, they (RA) felt they couldn’t do with any more bad press.”

RugbyWA’s hope now is to keep its NRC team competitive by recruiting former players who have relocated to Super Rugby franchises in the eastern states — particularly those who have still maintained homes in Perth. The plan is to find a recently retired Wallaby who is still fit enough to lead the team and show the youngsters what’s needed at Super Rugby level.

… “We remain very open-minded about what future professional rugby competitions might look like,” said RUPA chief executive Ross Xenos …

… “Clearly not having a Super Rugby team in WA is a setback but if the collective view is that we need to put measures in place now to potentially reintroduce a professional team in WA in the future (and) maintaining a rugby pathway for young rugby players is an absolutely critical step,” Xenos said.

“If we did not have that (NRC) team there, what would the pathway look like for aspiring players in WA? If they didn’t have that semi-professional team to aim for, how would they be seen in the shopfront competition?”

Yet the demise of Super Rugby in the west is already being felt. Even before the 2018 season begins, virtually no east coast players have moved to Perth to play in the club competition, as they have done in considerable numbers in years past in an attempt to impress Force recruiters.

Read more: Clicky (paywalled)
 

Quick Hands

David Wilson (68)
If they're playing home games anywhere in NZ then their only chance would be something like a Mitre-10 expansion.

There's not a hope in Hades that NZR would allow a foreign team playing in a different foreign-controlled comp to have NZ home games, IMO.

It'd be Tonga/Samoa or the likes of West Sydney/Logan/etc in the NRC.

Or Twiggy's IPR.

There's a significant Tongan and Samoan population in Sydney, enough to support teams from each. In fact I reckon they'd draw more fans than most. One or both could play out of Cambelltown - there's a significantly under-utilised rectangular ground there which is NRL standard but only used 3 or 4 times a year by the Tigers. It's actually a bit of a no-brainer, but I'm not expecting too much from our leaders.
 

Inside Shoulder

Nathan Sharpe (72)
There's a significant Tongan and Samoan population in Sydney, enough to support teams from each. In fact I reckon they'd draw more fans than most. One or both could play out of Cambelltown - there's a significantly under-utilised rectangular ground there which is NRL standard but only used 3 or 4 times a year by the Tigers. It's actually a bit of a no-brainer, but I'm not expecting too much from our leaders.

no brainers - thats their long suit! Such a significant population that Penrith publish their codes of conduct in Samoan, Tongan and English: http://websites.sportstg.com/assoc_page.cgi?c=7-91-0-0-0&sID=74083
 
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TOCC

Guest
QRU have released the QPR draw for 2018, and it starts 24Mar and finishes 19 Aug, which is 2 weeks earlier then the Shute Shield. Which will allow the QLD Club players at least 2 weeks in camp together before the NRC. Unlike the SS where the Grand Final is on the same day as Round 1 of the NRC.

That’s assuming that the NRC dates stay the same, which is likely to happen given the new requirements about players holidays to be taken in week blocks, and It already goes two weeks later into the year then then the ITM Cup and If the NRC were to slide any later it would be at the detriment of the Super Rugby pre-season.

A real shame that selfishness is harming the code in this country.
 

kiap

Steve Williams (59)
Anyone heard that there will only be 2 Sydney teams in 2018
Sydney and country teams

Cutting a team to improve the standard of play overall? Now, where have I heard that before?

yes thats the rumour, and they will both have closer affiliation to the Waratahs like the 2 Queensland teams do.
Yeah, it would now seem to be City and Country teams in NSW, making it seven weeks of round-robin + semis & final.

Drua remaining in and the Spirit renamed Western Force.
 

WorkingClassRugger

David Codey (61)
Yeah, it would now seem to be City and Country teams in NSW, making it seven weeks of round-robin + semis & final.

Drua remaining in and the Spirit renamed Western Force.

I'm not completely against the two NSW team set up but would prefer to seeing it stay at 8 weeks minimum.
 

Rebels3

Jim Lenehan (48)
I'm not completely against the two NSW team set up but would prefer to seeing it stay at 8 weeks minimum.


I love the idea of only having the 2 teams, but also against the notion of a shorter season.

Perhaps we could see the introduction of another world rugby sponsored pacific team.

Perth
Melbourne
QLD Country
Brisbane
NSW Country
Sydney
Canberra
Fiji
Samoa?
 

Alachino

Frank Row (1)
Haha...however, this is probably the most ideal set up. More along the lines of the traditional rep structures. Hopefully it will also lead to a more even spread of Super Rugby players among the squads. It also could lend itself to expanding the playing schedule a bit. Having 8 teams allows for more flexibility on that side of things. You could split the competition into two 4 team pools. Start the season playing the three other teams in your pool before playing the other four teams from the other pools before finishing it off with the return rounds against the teams in your own pool again. So a total of ten games. Plus a four team finals series. A nice tight 12 weeks. Or you could go a full home and away schedule for 14 weeks plus finals. I'd be happy with either. It could also facilitate enter of other PI squads. Which would also be a good thing. Add even more to the competition.


This all depends on what you think the goal of a national comp is. If it's to

1) Develop players. Then focus as much Aust talent into one comp and evenly spread it amongst all teams involved. Back the SS as our primo comp in Aust and make it policy that it's the only comp below Super Rugby that can pay players. Then all the best players would move to Sydney and be distributed across the 12 teams. It may even prompt the promotion of other subbies clubs to bring the number to 14 etc.

It would probably go quite well and engage a lot of fans, new and existing. In Sydney.

Or,

2) Grow rugby nationally. Then I have to reiterate what has more than likely been said many times before, which is Sydney must come to the party and have their district unions (NSW premier clubs) group up into self styled Australian Rugby provinces, ala the ARC. Then they would be in line with all other regions involved. May not work perfectly now, but we have to look to the future.
 

Alachino

Frank Row (1)
I love the idea of only having the 2 teams, but also against the notion of a shorter season.

Perhaps we could see the introduction of another world rugby sponsored pacific team.

Perth
Melbourne
QLD Country
Brisbane
NSW Country
Sydney
Canberra
Fiji
Samoa?



Same again Rebels3. In the current situation, concentrating talent will raise the standard of play, but will engage communities less.

It's not possible at the moment, but I think RA should have an end goal of re-instating the Australian Rugby Shield and having a national comp make up that involves the following rugby provinces;

NRC
Brisbane City
Brisbane South
Sydney North Harbour
Sydney East & South
Sydney West
ACT & Southern NSW
Melbourne
WA

ARS
North Queensland
Central Queensland
South Queensland
North Coast, NSW
Central NSW
NT
SA
TAS


Each of these provinces would have affiliated districts so everyone is aware of where they stand when it comes to their responsibilities and opportunities. I.e Cairns, Townsville, Mackey & Mt Isa affilated to Nth Qld as a regional expample and Penrith, Parramatta, Eastwook & West Harbour affiliated to Sydney West as a metro example.

Most of those unions I've listed already exists, so it's not re-inventing the wheel, just re-aligning unions to the communities they represent actually have some understand the rugby landscape in Aust.

It also breaks it down into a very simple structure of club, district, province, national body.
 

Brumby Runner

David Wilson (68)
The overlap with the SS still might affect the Sydney-based teams regardless of how many sides are put out. It will stink if both are given a bye in the first weekend.
 
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