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    Sydney Subbies 2025

    I would argue Emus and Two Blues have probably been the bottom of the totem pole, along with West Harbour, when it comes to attractiveness to talent because they're not "glamour clubs" and that is a strongly "Red Rooster line" trait. Location will never be the be-all and end-all of getting...
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    Sydney Subbies 2025

    I disagree, respectfully - options are very important. At the moment, the only option locally is league which means rugby has 0 presence in the local scene above juniors. The Blue Mountains are not a "Nepean"/Penrith club, nor are the Raptors at Mittigar or Blacktown. That's why it's important...
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    Sydney Subbies 2025

    I'm talking about the history of the original schism - the points still stand today but don't get me wrong, I believe Subbies should remain amateur completely. We aren't generating gate revenues or even TV revenues - this is the place for rugby players who want to play rugby for the love of the...
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    Sydney Subbies 2025

    Being ignorant of history leads to a lack of understanding the present - RL was built on allowing players to share in the funds of a club when the club was bringing in money off the work of the players. Obviously, we're not charging gate in Subbies so it's a moot point, but that's not the case...
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    Sydney Subbies 2025

    You'd have to think some of the past players will be getting to Nepean Park this season to try and get the club re-established and on firm ground in the lower grades - I'd imagine a lot of them wouldn't have been willing to travel, but if there's local games they'd be putting the boots on again...
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    Sydney Subbies 2025

    Div 1 draw and lower Divs' rounds/dates are up on Subbies site now - my wedding is the night before semis... oops! I'm betting Div 2 looks pretty similar to the last few years, albeit with Forest replacing Newport. Subbies will try to maintain 8 clubs in as many divisions as possible for...
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    Sydney Subbies 2025

    Give it time - now the extension has opened and it runs direct to the city and southern suburbs I reckon you'll start to see more and more heading out your way
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    Sydney Subbies 2025

    I think a lot of it comes down to getting clusters together - they sort of keep each other in check rather than the club having to chase as much. With our Colts program, we had to start from scratch years ago. We had to find people who knew people whose son was playing at this school and had 3...
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    Sydney Subbies 2025

    Going through the annual report last year I found these numbers (including Halligans, hence why Blueys have 8 grades) It's a bit concerning that many clubs are struggling with Colts, even more so with the grades. Div 3 only having 2 clubs with 3 senior grades is worrying, especially with those...
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    Sydney Subbies 2025

    Yep - that's what I've picked up in my (albeit much shorter) time in rugby. You have to love it to want to be part of it for any period of time, but if you're in it for any period of time, you'll love it. Also, free beer and pizza sounds good but not as good as a Briars burger, Renegade roll...
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    Sydney Subbies 2025

    This is probably the sadder part and I'd assume many of the stalwarts of those clubs have either left Sydney or left us altogether. I wonder, too, whether some of the blokes from these clubs have gone on to have kids that have played rugby outside Subbies. Are we just that unattractive to play...
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    Sydney Subbies 2025

    Thanks for the inspiration I thought something looked familiar and I pinpointed what it was that caught my eye. This is where each club in Subbies (except Hawkesbury Valley who straddle the line at its north-western extent) has their home ground: The black line is the "Red Rooster line" which...
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    Sydney Subbies 2025

    Will be interesting to see if they can still hang with the "big boys" - you could argue Lindfield were more dominant in D2 the previous year and struggled early, how will the Breakers be able to get on early? They're a tough team to beat, but so are a lot of the D1 clubs - will be intriguing to...
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    Sydney Subbies 2025

    I fear we won't see the benefit of the BIL tour until next season if people pick up at all - I remember going to the 3rd test last time out and the buzz around Sydney the week or two prior was incredible but I'm not sure we'll see the same next year
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    Sydney Subbies 2025

    It definitely is but there's no other way to check than to look at what happened next. Players and coaches leave when things get tough, we know that, but it was also not a case of them being Waratahs among juniors. Hence the "right division for now" - they were not judged to have been...
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    Sydney Subbies 2025

    I think that's the sore point for a lot of people - if it's supposed to be based solely on on-field performance, then it completely stands to reason that Mosman and Petersham, as the 2 lowest sides, should have been relegated (to fill out Div Two to 8 teams). But, this is what the Ops Manual...
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    Sydney Subbies 2025

    If I'm not mistaken that's decided by a vote of all clubs - I don't have a vote myself but have heard it discussed previously at the end of seasons.
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    Sydney Subbies 2025

    Subbies' 2024 annual report has been uploaded here: https://rugby.net.au/news/2024-AGM-x-15820.html Had the privelege of attending the Subbies AGM last night - I'm not certain but assume there are confidentiality requirements around proceedings (at least until Subbies announce them) so I will...
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    Sydney Subbies 2025

    That's the hope. Where we are is a massive football/soccer area and league is probably the #2 winter sport - AFL has become more of a thing too because the Giants are nearby. We have to stand out somehow and that's probably the big thing that clubs are struggling with. For those who don't know...
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    Sydney Subbies 2025

    We've been running both since around 2018 - the women's have been a lot more organised but that's mainly due to COVID harpooning seasons 2020 and 2021. The men's side is driven by a lot of the younger players and especially the Pasifika group - it's a chance to travel and represent the club and...
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