2012 Rugby Championship Game 1 Australia vs New Zealand - 18 August
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Frank Nicholson (4)
was just reading from where I last left these pages...never you mind, keep connecting the dots and you'll get there.
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John Solomon (38)
Or someone who's at least a decent halfback.
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Paradox
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Timani was a nobody a the breakdown and this is the problem with this forward pack. This is the area we got really smashed in IMO. We are absolutely dreadful at the breakdown. No quick ball, committing a huge amount of numbers just to win second phase ball. By third phase, Oz is isolated and behind the gain line still. I'm sorry to say, but this is where the WallaTah tight 5, despite their reasonable set piece, is just way off the pace...and we didn't slow enough of the Darkness ball down either.
I'm not sure I want to get to wherever you are. Is it under a bridge somewhere?
kiwi_rugby_fan
Frank Nicholson (4)
Anyway, now that I have caught up, I have to say that game was woeful from both sides. The ref didn't help, too many penalties during the game.
If Jeremy Paul quoted Larkam correctly, the Oz game plan was to run the ball from everywhere - poor selection by Deans to then not include Cooper, though I doubt he would have changed the outcome. Despite NZ playing woefully, the wallabies were even worse.
I also hope this also puts the whole debate of Pocock v McCaw into perspective. The king still lives, long live the king. Pocock has the scavenging title, but the role is bigger than that.
If Jeremy Paul quoted Larkam correctly, the Oz game plan was to run the ball from everywhere - poor selection by Deans to then not include Cooper, though I doubt he would have changed the outcome. Despite NZ playing woefully, the wallabies were even worse.
I also hope this also puts the whole debate of Pocock v McCaw into perspective. The king still lives, long live the king. Pocock has the scavenging title, but the role is bigger than that.
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Paradox
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Richie is still a great player but has always had a great tight 5 to mop up behind.
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Waylon
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I thought the tight five did their job. The scrums were a scrum penalty lottery. Apart from one scrum, we held our own ball pretty well. The lineout was largely effective.
Our backrow was beaten badly. We didn't disrupt their ball and momentum yet it was a struggle to recycle our own ball. It was slow and the next phases were telegraphed. This is poor tactics and poor coaching. It's Link time
Our backline was as threatening as the Western Force
Horne has to go. The bloke just isn't up to standard. You have to score some tries to beat the Allblacks. newsflash
Cooper has to come in.
The rushing defence was good at times but the Allblacks have all the answers. They scored two tries on the outside of our backline
Beale is a terrible defender
Not enough mongrel in the first 30 minutes and the basic mistakes and poor tackling weren't test standard
Deans got the backline wrong (as usual)
Deans got the tactics wrong (as usual)
Deans didn't adapt a game plan on the back of what was happening on the field (as usual)
Deans got the bench wrong (as usual) which gave us little impetus when we needed to score twice with 15 minutes to go
I'm completely farking sick of the same mistakes, repeated selection mistakes, the usual waffle of excuses and the mediocrity of the performances against the Darkness. It's Link time
Our backrow was beaten badly. We didn't disrupt their ball and momentum yet it was a struggle to recycle our own ball. It was slow and the next phases were telegraphed. This is poor tactics and poor coaching. It's Link time
Our backline was as threatening as the Western Force
Horne has to go. The bloke just isn't up to standard. You have to score some tries to beat the Allblacks. newsflash
Cooper has to come in.
The rushing defence was good at times but the Allblacks have all the answers. They scored two tries on the outside of our backline
Beale is a terrible defender
Not enough mongrel in the first 30 minutes and the basic mistakes and poor tackling weren't test standard
Deans got the backline wrong (as usual)
Deans got the tactics wrong (as usual)
Deans didn't adapt a game plan on the back of what was happening on the field (as usual)
Deans got the bench wrong (as usual) which gave us little impetus when we needed to score twice with 15 minutes to go
I'm completely farking sick of the same mistakes, repeated selection mistakes, the usual waffle of excuses and the mediocrity of the performances against the Darkness. It's Link time
kiwi_rugby_fan
Frank Nicholson (4)
The ABs created a great unit after being powder puffs in 2002/3. To have an 8 man scrum against a visiting English 6 and not be able to shove them was a low point in AB rugby. Unlike Oz we managed to make the changes to be competitive and then to dominate.
Karl
Bill McLean (32)
most of this
p.Tah
John Thornett (49)
I haven't read through the previous posts so excuse me if this has been raised. Whist I agreed with the initial decision for Barnes at 10, we need something if different next week in the Backs.. I vote for Quade 10, Barnes 12. Tough job for Quade to return to Eden Park, but I think he can handle it.
biggsy
Chilla Wilson (44)
If your gut feeling is correct and Barnes boots away.
Can I suggest that if the worst happens, we all take a deep breath and count to infinity before taking our anger out on the forums.
Prior posting preparation preventspiss-poor performancelifetime bans.
Barnes is such a great kicker...I like my gut feeling
biggsy
Chilla Wilson (44)
To many tah's.... The Scotland lose was better to sit through
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Jiggles
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nah horseshit. The darkness were way down on their best, we were to shithouse to take advantage of it.
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Paradox
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Stephen Jones nods in approval
..you're right though. Oz went backwards at the breakdown tonight though. Really poor display.
Ash
Michael Lynagh (62)
Just watched a replay of that 2008 Bledisloe, and the amount of work that Horwill got through was incredible. It put Timani and Higgers combined to shame. That is what we need.
The closest is Douglas, why he isn't there is beyond me. Hell, they even saw it at the Tahs and shunted Timani to the bench.
Sometimes it is the work that the players don't do, rather than what they do do, that is the big problem. It is also harder to notice. Too many of our forwards were just missing, not hitting enough rucks or not getting there quick enough, or not putting themselves in the position to back up next phase.
There's just not enough payers with a high work rate in the Wallaby park, particularly the starting tight five. And it doesn't help that two guys who normally have their heads down and bums up in Pocock and Dennis were both well off the pace for some reason.
The closest is Douglas, why he isn't there is beyond me. Hell, they even saw it at the Tahs and shunted Timani to the bench.
Sometimes it is the work that the players don't do, rather than what they do do, that is the big problem. It is also harder to notice. Too many of our forwards were just missing, not hitting enough rucks or not getting there quick enough, or not putting themselves in the position to back up next phase.
There's just not enough payers with a high work rate in the Wallaby park, particularly the starting tight five. And it doesn't help that two guys who normally have their heads down and bums up in Pocock and Dennis were both well off the pace for some reason.
badabing59
Cyril Towers (30)
Eh? Seriously?
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