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2016 Under-20 Rugby World Championships - Manchester UK

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Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
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Grown up footy generally requires specialists in most positions.

Schoolboy footy generally doesn't and Notta's rule.

Tournament play and maximum squad size encourages the selection of generalists who can play in more than one position, and cover injuries, if needed.

Did we play too many players out of position based on their schoolboy adaptability, or are our selectors stuck in a junior rugby generalist paradigm where a players talent and x-factor can overcome a lack of skill in the specialist role that have been selected in?
 

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Nev Cottrell (35)
HJ, IMO Jooste should not be playing 12, he does not have the temperament for that position and it was evident in the game against Scotland. Some may disagree and say he had a good game against NZ in that position but it was a one off in a different style of game that was played at Bond Uni.

As evidence showed at the change in the games we do need a big running #8. Not once during the first half did my eye catch any big runs by Jones but when Leota came on one noticed his involvement all the time.

Jordan Uelese played well but didn’t get it right at the line out and that cost valuable possession at crucial times in all of the games. Surely that should have been a midweek/mid game focal point and if he can’t get it right then he should be warming the bench.

Lakan Tui gained good advantage and was an asset in the scrums but he is notorious (u20 Curtain Raiser Cup) for losing the ball in contact, he is a big boy but he should still be turning the shoulder in contact.

The rest I thought played a much better game than the 1st one and better than the Aus vs Italy game. With each game there is improvement and hopefully we can show Scotland we are better and win the next one.


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Highlander35

Andrew Slack (58)
Jooste is clearly quality, and had you very poor centers, nobody would question playing him at 12.

But there are 4 out and out centers in the squad, 3 of whom have made Super Rugby debuts, and of those, 2, in JJH and Sione, who are primarily Inside Centers who can play elsewhere. Completely nonsensical.

You guys should get up if you put out a side that makes sense. I'd be thinking Magnay onto the wing as my only out of position player, otherwise leave the same backline that played against England, bring in the big boys to hump our forwards. Have JJH and a winger on the bench to bring on late in the game to exploit the gaps from a physically beaten side.
 

Seymour Butz

Larry Dwyer (12)
Line out throwing, lifting/catching/pod work, and calling was rather hit and miss during the Curtain Raiser Cup... [snip]
Some good line out merchants were left at home in Team Rehab, or missed out on making the cut for reasons other than their line out throwing.

Jordan Uelese played well but didn’t get it right at the line out and that cost valuable possession at crucial times in all of the games. Surely that should have been a midweek/mid game focal point and if he can’t get it right then he should be warming the bench.

There is often talk of poor lineouts by Aust U20s - at least this year and the last two years anyway. But each year the selectors have gone for the extra 5kg over an accurate lineout thrower.

Huw, you have argued previously that throwing ain't the be all and end all for a hooker. However, I think it is. Accurate throws are the key, single most important skill to choose a hooker for, with various other attributes a poor second - assuming of course they can tackle, scrum, clean out to a good standard, and take the odd hit up.

Good lineout throws win games. Bad ones loose games. Proven here once again. Lineout throws nearly lost it for the English. Pretty crucial for us in the end also.
 

TheKing

Colin Windon (37)
I thought our 10-12-13 combo was just right, and I'll give a shoutout to Kennewell as well. He certainly gave it a go.

When Magnay comes back, I think I'd lean towards dropping Liam McNamara - through no fault of his own, I just think that not including both Magnay and Jurd in the starting team would be a mistake.

Jurd defended very well at 13 and was responsible for plenty of English errors out wide, but he hasn't got the top speed or the physical presence of Magnay to really shed tackles.

I think if you play Tuipolotu at 12 as a primarily attacking centre, you can afford to play Jurd at 13 as a defensive-orientated centre with Magnay on the left wing looking for work, especially if Maddocks is chiming in that channel anyway. McNamara is bloody good for 23 because he's played most of his footy at 10, slotting into 15 occasionally because he's so quick - that's how he ended up on the wing for Aus.

I think the key to Australia is presenting Mason with options running at pace.

This is the team to do it - get Scott-Young, Tui and Leota from the forwards involved running, let everyone else secure ball.

Jurd is the weakest attacking link in the backline, and he's no slouch either. It's the best balance we can get.

1. Sione
2. Uelese
3. Lomax
4. McCauley
5. Tui (ball-runner)
6. Scott-Young (ball-runner)
7. Tahi
8. Leota (ball-runner)
9. Tuttle
10. Mason (playmaker/goalkicker)
11. Magnay (ball-runner)
12. Tuipolotu (ball-runner)
13. Jurd (defender/playmaker)
14. Kennewell (ball-runner)
15. Maddocks (playmaker)

16. Taylor
17. Asiata
18. Vui (ball-runner)
19. Rodda (everyman)
20. Jones
21. Nucifora (playmaker/goalkicker)
22. Jooste (playmaker)
23. McNamara (playmaker/finisher)
 

Brumby Runner

David Wilson (68)
ASY (Angus Scott-Young) has been disappointing imo. Too often takes the line on himself and rarely makes a tackle bust or line break. Absolutely killed a four man overlap against the Poms, and if he doesn't yet know not to drop on the ball at the back of a ruck, then he'll be giving away penalties for much of his future playing career.
 

Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
Staff member
The Soap Dodgers played terrible footy, and lucky for them our mob were even worse.

The loose forwards went missing in action leaving our ball runners to get isolated at the tackle contest. The Princesses and the other fatties that tried to help at the tackle contest with clean outs and trying to secure quick ball were essentially ineffectual - inaccurate, too high or flopping off their feet.

The lineout (not just the throwing which was pretty ordinary from both teams) did not secure good ball for us. What ball we managed to secure was pretty slow ball and allowed the opposition to easily repulse our subsequent attack,

For a scrum that was 70+kg heavier than their opponents, they were badly beaten time and again. Disappointing. Useless had a game he would rather hope was played at a venue without video facilities. He is supposed to be a scrummaging hooker rather than a hooking hooker yet our front row was badly beaten by a smaller but more technically proficient opponent. Enough said about his lineout throwing, and while he seemed to make most of his tackles, his work at the tackle contest was inefficient, although I can understand why Taylor didn't come on any earlier because little difference was made when he took the field.

In general our Ruck ball was too slow, and allowed the Soapies all day to get their defence line set. Well done to their piggies who did well to slow our ruck ball down and dictate the overall pace of the game.

Decision making and Discipline was poo gifting their opponents the game through a succession of simple 3 point kicks.

England's Roses didn't play like a team that could put 40 points onto the North Sydney Boys High 1st XV, let alone Scotland U20s. If they play like they did against us, they will get their arses handed to them by the Saffers in the SF.

I can't help but feel that we have blown our best chance in years to finish top of a pretty easy Pool, and subsequently get a great run in to the Final.

Credit to the Soap Dodgers, they defended exceptionally well against our rather one dimensional attack.

I thought that Tuttle, Mason, and Kennewell had good games in the circumstances. Sione T carried and defended well but he was let down by the lack of support around him. Our Single Digits played like they had met in the car park 2 hours before the game.

Our bench made little impact. Coulda, Shoulda, Woulda. Coach Thommo will not be happy.

Looking forward to the 2017 Curtain Raiser Cup and our next tilt for U20 RWC glory, cause we blew this one.
 

Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
Staff member
Many of our best 15 are not in the UK.

Broken record time, but Hugh's Law hamstrung us with Team Rehab being a bastard this year. Imagine the difference of having Mafi, Hutchison, Fittock, Perese, Crichton (%^$# Mungos), Moore, McGregor, Swinton (if he can learn to channel his aggression better), Fox, Latinipulo, and Lough in Manchester.

That is before any impact of the game day starting and bench selections.
 

Brian Westlake

Arch Winning (36)
I thought our 10-12-13 combo was just right, and I'll give a shoutout to Kennewell as well. He certainly gave it a go.

When Magnay comes back, I think I'd lean towards dropping Liam McNamara - through no fault of his own, I just think that not including both Magnay and Jurd in the starting team would be a mistake.

Jurd defended very well at 13 and was responsible for plenty of English errors out wide, but he hasn't got the top speed or the physical presence of Magnay to really shed tackles.

I think if you play Tuipolotu at 12 as a primarily attacking centre, you can afford to play Jurd at 13 as a defensive-orientated centre with Magnay on the left wing looking for work, especially if Maddocks is chiming in that channel anyway. McNamara is bloody good for 23 because he's played most of his footy at 10, slotting into 15 occasionally because he's so quick - that's how he ended up on the wing for Aus.

I think the key to Australia is presenting Mason with options running at pace.

This is the team to do it - get Scott-Young, Tui and Leota from the forwards involved running, let everyone else secure ball.

Jurd is the weakest attacking link in the backline, and he's no slouch either. It's the best balance we can get.

1. Sione
2. Uelese
3. Lomax
4. McCauley
5. Tui (ball-runner)
6. Scott-Young (ball-runner)
7. Tahi
8. Leota (ball-runner)
9. Tuttle
10. Mason (playmaker/goalkicker)
11. Magnay (ball-runner)
12. Tuipolotu (ball-runner)
13. Jurd (defender/playmaker)
14. Kennewell (ball-runner)
15. Maddocks (playmaker)

16. Taylor
17. Asiata
18. Vui (ball-runner)
19. Rodda (everyman)
20. Jones
21. Nucifora (playmaker/goalkicker)
22. Jooste (playmaker)
23. McNamara (playmaker/finisher)
Great idea King. Why don't we just send queensland next year?
 

Forcefield

Ken Catchpole (46)
When Magnay comes back, I think I'd lean towards dropping Liam McNamara - through no fault of his own, I just think that not including both Magnay and Jurd in the starting team would be a mistake.


I wouldn't play Magnay again this tournament. If we want him to be a useful player going forward and maintain a proud culture of not being a bunch of thugs, he needs to learn that there are bigger consequences than two games on the sidelines for being a complete jackass.
 

Monty Python

Ted Fahey (11)
Must be some injuries creeping into the squad. Huw's law kicking in. This post on the Woodies Facebook feed this afternoon:

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