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2017 TV ratings and crowd figures

p.Tah

John Thornett (49)
Looking at these numbers though - it's plaib to see why we're not getting to much FTA interest - and same goes for ALeague, which I think is actually being outrated by rugby since the Super comp started (or at least it's pretty close)
This is what I don't understand about the A-League. There is lots of noise around how well it's doing but the ratings outside of summer don't support that.

Fans and some administers are calling for expansion and a second division with promotion and relegation. You'd think they'd be looking at rugby's woes and were being cautious.
 
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This is what I don't understand about the A-League. There is lots of noise around how well it's doing but the ratings outside of summer don't support that.

Fans and some administers are calling for expansion and a second division with promotion and relegation. You'd think they'd be looking at rugby's woes and were being cautious.


A-League has a 27 round season, with a further 3 week final series, and with 10 teams spread across Australasia it offers Australian broadcasters what it wants, an abundant supply of live sporting content in prime time tv slots. It doesn't need to rate through the roof to be of value, it just needs to provides a large quantity of live content.

But you are right, the broadcast revenue isn't enough to sustain teams, they still need a sizeable amount of advertising and match day income to cover the costs, which is why a few of the team have failed.
 
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John Solomon (38)
A-League has a 27 round season, with a further 3 week final series, and with 10 teams spread across Australasia it offers Australian broadcasters what it wants, an abundant supply of live sporting content in prime time tv slots. It doesn't need to rate through the roof to be of value, it just needs to provides a large quantity of live content.

But you are right, the broadcast revenue isn't enough to sustain teams, they still need a sizeable amount of advertising and match day income to cover the costs, which is why a few of the team have failed.

Astute nay very astute post.

They are also going to a free to air commercial broadcaster with reports of 7 to 10 million the latest rumors plus if my sources are correct [the wife].

For sooooooooooooo fucking long we have ignored the bleeding obvious Australia media wants local content. Not only for the TV but also for online and print media.

My sources [ she who must be obeyed] also inform me they could surprise with their overseas media revenue.

In the US and reading from afar but it sounds a circus and IMO the board and senior management should fall on their swords and let some new blood in.

BTW I have been to a Basket Ball, Baseball and Soccer match all in Orlando and in the Basketball and Baseball by !#@!@!@! they hype them up at the matches. The soccer surprised me with the wife insisting we go as I had dragged her to the baseball and basketball. The soccer had the biggest and youngest crowd and was played at 3:00 to 5:00 so we followed the crowd back to Orlando city and had beers and eats while there with the soccer fans. Gotta say soccer is making amazing progress in the US and the sporting public seem open unlike Australia to new sports and maybe rugby could get a competition going there.

Back to SR, that a few of us have been warning of whats unfolding does not make me feel better.

Just more urgency to change. As I have posted before I am very close to leaving for good.
 

Strewthcobber

Mark Ella (57)
Shout out to The_Wookie who runs the footyindustry.com website.

An amazing resource of Aussie broadcast info which appears to have been curtailed (see the website for more info)

I really appreciated the effort you put in over the years mate, and rating discussion here and all over the internet will be poorer from this week

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The_Wookie

Chris McKivat (8)
Shout out to The_Wookie who runs the footyindustry.com website.

An amazing resource of Aussie broadcast info which appears to have been curtailed (see the website for more info)

I really appreciated the effort you put in over the years mate, and rating discussion here and all over the internet will be poorer from this week

Sent from my D5833 using Tapatalk

Im trying to figure out a way around it, at least weekly. But yeah its a ludicrous situation where they object to my use of tables to properly display data they make freely available.
 

kiap

Andrew Slack (58)
Is it about a copyright claim?

I saw this from way back in 2011:

OzTAM, the company owned by the three metropolitan commercial television networks Seven, Nine and Ten to measure TV ratings data, has issued a six-page ‘Website Authorisation Application’ to a number of websites demanding they commit to only listing the top 20 shows each night on free-to-air, FTA multichannels and subscription television, as provided by OzTAM.​
The decision will halt websites posting the top 50 programs or more as lists … etc., etc.​
… OzTAM spokesperson Margaret Fearn said “We absolutely do not want people to stop writing about television.”​
She added public dissemination of the data is a copyright issue. “It is an expensive data service and it’s not fair for subscribers,” she said.​
You might still be able shift into some sort of analysis where, avoiding showing all tabulated raw data -- you output summary charts of numbers that you've crunched using your own methods.

And there's also "fair use" provisions to tabulate a small portion of the stuff.
 

The_Wookie

Chris McKivat (8)
Is it about a copyright claim?

Specifically:

While the above availability of ratings data allows users like yourself to build and maintain an internal reference bank of historical data, it does not give rise to a right to reproduce this data. In contrast publication of OzTAM data without OzTAM’s permission is in breach of OzTAM’s right of copyright. It is no different than if someone were to lift tracts of your copyright material over a period of time and publish them without your authorisation.


You might still be able shift into some sort of analysis where, avoiding showing all tabulated raw data -- you output summary charts of numbers that you've crunched using your own methods.

Ive sought some clarification on what i can and cant do - including whether i can just puit out a summary/averages etc without showing the raw data tables.

For the time being ill just embed twitter posts and such, and offer a cumulative position at the end of each round. Crowds will still be tabled like normal.

The sport affected most is the AFL because of the way matches are broadcast, the broadcast timeslot can reflect two or three games shown in different cities at the same time.

And there's also "fair use" provisions to tabulate a small portion of the stuff.

I actually think theres a fair use case for most of it, but i cant be bothered fighting it.
 

Ignoto

Ken Catchpole (46)
Ive sought some clarification on what i can and cant do - including whether i can just puit out a summary/averages etc without showing the raw data tables.


Sounds like a lot of hot air coming out of OzTAM's mouth. Flick them a copy of the 2010 Telstra Federal Court decision which ruled against databases being protected by copyright.
 

The_Wookie

Chris McKivat (8)
Sounds like a lot of hot air coming out of OzTAM's mouth. Flick them a copy of the 2010 Telstra Federal Court decision which ruled against databases being protected by copyright.

The other problem is if someone does that i reckon they'd shut up shop entirely and not release any public data.
 

Braveheart81

James Horwill (77)
Staff member
The other problem is if someone does that i reckon they'd shut up shop entirely and not release any public data.


Presumably Mediaweek has a paid subscription to Nielsen OzTAM and that is where they get their info to tweet and write about.
 

barbarian

Phil Kearns (64)
Staff member
Astute nay very astute post.

They are also going to a free to air commercial broadcaster with reports of 7 to 10 million the latest rumors plus if my sources are correct [the wife].
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The Fin Review are reporting that the FTA networks haven't even bid, and it looks like a $2m deal on the ABC.

Could be a cautionary tale for anyone who thinks FTA is a big pile of money that anyone can access:

http://www.afr.com/business/media-and-marketing/tv/abc-firms-for-freetoair-soccer-rights-20170419-gvnv3y#ixzz4ejWJHo5o

Football Federation Australia has failed to entice the three commercial free-to-air television networks into bidding for A-League and Socceroos matches, leaving the ABC in the box seat to gain the rights.

Seven West Media, Nine Entertainment, Network Ten and current FTA rights holder SBS are understood to have not lodged an official bid with the FFA by last Thursday's deadline, having baulked at some FFA requirements such as having to pay Fox Sports $2 million in annual production costs.

It is understood and FFA and ABC are in discussions.

Sources have told The Australian Financial Review that there had been "multiple bids" for rights, but that could mean Telstra has also lodged a bid for streaming rights.

The big three broadcasters are understood to have tried to broker a deal with the FFA but not for the price or terms the body wanted.
 

mst

Ken Catchpole (46)
^^ when you read the details of the deal and the requirements the FFA set, it reads like a cake and eat it to scenario IMHO; but good luck to them for having a crack. Foxtel seems to have played it well and benefit regardless.

The "mobile" streaming rights again pop up in the conversation and is another cautionary tale for all after the AFL "mini-screen" steaming restrictions and the Optus EPL deal.
 

Strewthcobber

Mark Ella (57)
Hurricanes v Brumbies - 58k
Tahs v Kings - 41k

Interesting little case study into who is still watching rugby in Australia right there.....

After some pretty crappy ratings the ALeague finals had a pretty decent result last night

Brisbane v WSW - 112k on Fox + 64k on SBS

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John Solomon (38)
The Fin Review are reporting that the FTA networks haven't even bid, and it looks like a $2m deal on the ABC.

Could be a cautionary tale for anyone who thinks FTA is a big pile of money that anyone can access:

http://www.afr.com/business/media-and-marketing/tv/abc-firms-for-freetoair-soccer-rights-20170419-gvnv3y#ixzz4ejWJHo5o


Football Federation Australia has failed to entice the three commercial free-to-air television networks into bidding for A-League and Socceroos matches, leaving the ABC in the box seat to gain the rights.

Seven West Media, Nine Entertainment, Network Ten and current FTA rights holder SBS are understood to have not lodged an official bid with the FFA by last Thursday's deadline, having baulked at some FFA requirements such as having to pay Fox Sports $2 million in annual production costs.

It is understood and FFA and ABC are in discussions.

Sources have told The Australian Financial Review that there had been "multiple bids" for rights, but that could mean Telstra has also lodged a bid for streaming rights.

The big three broadcasters are understood to have tried to broker a deal with the FFA but not for the price or terms the body wanted.


Broadcast on the ABC would be huge I would love Rugby to be broadcast on 2.

The article also said all 3 commercial stations have bid but not met FFA figures.

There main aim is to get on FTA and not bury the sport.

They plan to build their code over time.


 

Strewthcobber

Mark Ella (57)


Broadcast on the ABC would be huge I would love Rugby to be broadcast on 2.

The article also said all 3 commercial stations have bid but not met FFA figures.

There main aim is to get on FTA and not bury the sport.

They plan to build their code over time.


Will be interesting to see what they do with it. Older viewers would riot on the streets if they changed the Sat night on the main channel. It already wins most Sat nights.

So that means football on either ABC2 or Me, neither of which have huge "in-built" audiences.

Should do better than the 60k or so they get on SBS2, but it's not going to be dramatically more than that.

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Side note - it's a lot easier to build your game when the tax payer continues to subsidies it. The FFA do a great job for their sport in that regard
 
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