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AIC Rugby 2015

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AICINSIDER

Frank Row (1)
Ok, may I just state a few things,
yes I'm an Ashgrove Man so I don't get to watch the other schools week in week out but my points are still highly valid don't be childish and say that I'm completely biased

1. ASH v PAD: Yes Padua won but that that doesn't make them the "better" team. A re-match would've been nice (Not sure about Padua but Ashgrove is weakened now due to injuries and other reasons) a re-match anywhere none of this depends who is home bullshit, they could played at Ipswich just for the sake of it. So yes congratulations to Padua who on the day won so unless they lose this weekend ((Obviously I want them to loose) but i doubt it because Peters and Padua play a similar game in the first 15 with big bashes to the opposition in the forwards but I have not doubt that peters will drop their heads after the first 15 if they aren't winning like they did against us (ASH)) they will be the undefeated AIC Premiers of 2015 and the first out right for their school.

2. Ashgrove forward pack is by far the most dominant pack this year. Out-scrummed BBC for god sake. Best front row, Rafter, Cuneo and Adams area all machines and although the big-named O'Toole is a gun he is not a shoe-in for AIC 1 THP. Liam Adams' scrum is so much better so LHP would seem better fitted or even an amazing off the bench impact player.

3. AIC 1 mighten have the names or size as GPS 1,2 or 3 but fuck I hope the fortunate 15-23 boys just get some mongrel about them and just go out there wanting to smash the GPS boys of whom I am over them buying teams not earning them like all of the AIC teams (minus peters, sorry peters but its true). So congrats to the AIC schools who just work hard and earn their XV.

4. For all #7's in AIC they are luck Hugh Brosnan (MCA) is injured he has barely been mentioned but he is absolutely the biggest work horse. if you watch each ashgrove break down he was at at least 90% of them. he got numerous pilfa's every game. He has never been the best ball runner but still was one of the only Ash forwards that wanted to run it against Pad. and he doesn't need to run it when his work rate in defence and rucks is immaculate and you have the likes of O'Toole Rafter Adams in your team.

5. McKinnon is small ish as you might say but he is so smart and probably just deserves the AIC jumper as he is the most consistently inform player who reads the play so well and runs brilliant lines. Plus he lost a lot of weight due to a shoulder injury which required surgery and his line outs are the best in AIC. a complete asset

6. Allan Wratten gee-ed up for this year but really he is looking good for next year is his defence is strong and his natural ability to run the ball is exceptional. and I reckon De Flav might make it next year (he is the reason our 16's aren't carving it up completely)

7. The main problem with our 1st XV within recent years is the backs. we have great depth (in all positions) hence why our seconds always win the premiership and make our first contentions a hard pick but the backs just seem to not execute. there were definitely multiple different options for the line-up. Like don't get me wrong all good players with good defence but they seem to worry more about themself than the team at times (goes for all)

8. Not sure why Cuneo has been shunned but he was obviously better than fraser in ASH v PAD and has out played every #2 each week

9. we talk about how important the first round was. I think now if we played Eddies we would win but things would've been different that first round maybe, tough game i really would've like to see what would've happened, we did have home ground 'advantage' but I do believe that the no first round made huge impacts that are forever irreplaceable. Plus it means I can't judge any of the Eddies players because I haven't seen them play

10. Just for the sake of it, people (iona) is Gee-ing up the 2017 team like sure its ages away but ok. I would just like to not that I'm pretty sure our 15's are undefeated (about time I'm pretty sure in previous years they haven't been that good on score but always good on paper) but this year things have changed I guess and with of Mr Miles (cheers eddies, he is a gun coach) if he sticks with them until 2017 they will probably be a solid team but I can't be bother to care about the annoying yr 10's.

11. We have copped it for being shit but we have flogged every team bar the premiership game against Pad and the really impressive game against Pats but we let them in mainly through F-ups. in saying that, this weekend will be huge with a lot of history and passion on the line for both Lauries and Us it'll be a great season finisher

12. Yes fullbacks are good but why are we looking at fullbacks to be AIC wingers, why don't we look at the wingers... logic.

13. The statement/s about how AIC isn't as good as it use to be. Harsh statement true yes but also not entirely. the comp is getting closer and closer with 'upsets' being more occurring but just because we don't have super star teams that flogged everyone doesn't mean we have shit footy in the AIC. and the gap between us and GPS is only increasing because GPS is clearly supplying ridiculous amounts of sporting scholarships.

14. wrong feed but I reckon BBC may choke, BBC v Nudgee will be a cracker (At Nudgee to)

15. agreed: the new game time is shit

16. so yeah, I think it's always tough to pick the AIC 1 forward pack as AIC does have quality forwards but i feel like you guys shouldn't completely rule out the Ashgrovian boys. but i do think AIC still should get an AIC 2 team so the closely matched players don't miss out on representing our competition


just my 2 cents, say what you want but it is a fairly accurate input

You just literally wasted so much time writing stuff people are laughing at. The amount of ashgrove parents/old boys who can only make excuses and talk about how their forward pack are dominant is ridiculous.
If ashgrove forwards were so dominant they would have capitalised when they had one more player than padua for 30 minutes, yeah they have a good scrum who cares they lost and were out played in every other area. To be honest ashgrove team this year is the weakest time I've seen from them in the last 5 years and I'm sorry if your son is in the team
 

Derick Slater

Chris McKivat (8)
Ok, may I just state a few things,
yes I'm an Ashgrove Man so I don't get to watch the other schools week in week out but my points are still highly valid don't be childish and say that I'm completely biased

1. ASH v PAD: Yes Padua won but that that doesn't make them the "better" team. A re-match would've been nice (Not sure about Padua but Ashgrove is weakened now due to injuries and other reasons) a re-match anywhere none of this depends who is home bullshit, they could played at Ipswich just for the sake of it. So yes congratulations to Padua who on the day won so unless they lose this weekend ((Obviously I want them to loose) but i doubt it because Peters and Padua play a similar game in the first 15 with big bashes to the opposition in the forwards but I have not doubt that peters will drop their heads after the first 15 if they aren't winning like they did against us (ASH)) they will be the undefeated AIC Premiers of 2015 and the first out right for their school.

2. Ashgrove forward pack is by far the most dominant pack this year. Out-scrummed BBC for god sake. Best front row, Rafter, Cuneo and Adams area all machines and although the big-named O'Toole is a gun he is not a shoe-in for AIC 1 THP. Liam Adams' scrum is so much better so LHP would seem better fitted or even an amazing off the bench impact player.

3. AIC 1 mighten have the names or size as GPS 1,2 or 3 but fuck I hope the fortunate 15-23 boys just get some mongrel about them and just go out there wanting to smash the GPS boys of whom I am over them buying teams not earning them like all of the AIC teams (minus peters, sorry peters but its true). So congrats to the AIC schools who just work hard and earn their XV.

4. For all #7's in AIC they are luck Hugh Brosnan (MCA) is injured he has barely been mentioned but he is absolutely the biggest work horse. if you watch each ashgrove break down he was at at least 90% of them. he got numerous pilfa's every game. He has never been the best ball runner but still was one of the only Ash forwards that wanted to run it against Pad. and he doesn't need to run it when his work rate in defence and rucks is immaculate and you have the likes of O'Toole Rafter Adams in your team.

5. McKinnon is small ish as you might say but he is so smart and probably just deserves the AIC jumper as he is the most consistently inform player who reads the play so well and runs brilliant lines. Plus he lost a lot of weight due to a shoulder injury which required surgery and his line outs are the best in AIC. a complete asset

6. Allan Wratten gee-ed up for this year but really he is looking good for next year is his defence is strong and his natural ability to run the ball is exceptional. and I reckon De Flav might make it next year (he is the reason our 16's aren't carving it up completely)

7. The main problem with our 1st XV within recent years is the backs. we have great depth (in all positions) hence why our seconds always win the premiership and make our first contentions a hard pick but the backs just seem to not execute. there were definitely multiple different options for the line-up. Like don't get me wrong all good players with good defence but they seem to worry more about themself than the team at times (goes for all)

8. Not sure why Cuneo has been shunned but he was obviously better than fraser in ASH v PAD and has out played every #2 each week

9. we talk about how important the first round was. I think now if we played Eddies we would win but things would've been different that first round maybe, tough game i really would've like to see what would've happened, we did have home ground 'advantage' but I do believe that the no first round made huge impacts that are forever irreplaceable. Plus it means I can't judge any of the Eddies players because I haven't seen them play

10. Just for the sake of it, people (iona) is Gee-ing up the 2017 team like sure its ages away but ok. I would just like to not that I'm pretty sure our 15's are undefeated (about time I'm pretty sure in previous years they haven't been that good on score but always good on paper) but this year things have changed I guess and with of Mr Miles (cheers eddies, he is a gun coach) if he sticks with them until 2017 they will probably be a solid team but I can't be bother to care about the annoying yr 10's.

11. We have copped it for being shit but we have flogged every team bar the premiership game against Pad and the really impressive game against Pats but we let them in mainly through F-ups. in saying that, this weekend will be huge with a lot of history and passion on the line for both Lauries and Us it'll be a great season finisher

12. Yes fullbacks are good but why are we looking at fullbacks to be AIC wingers, why don't we look at the wingers... logic.

13. The statement/s about how AIC isn't as good as it use to be. Harsh statement true yes but also not entirely. the comp is getting closer and closer with 'upsets' being more occurring but just because we don't have super star teams that flogged everyone doesn't mean we have shit footy in the AIC. and the gap between us and GPS is only increasing because GPS is clearly supplying ridiculous amounts of sporting scholarships.

14. wrong feed but I reckon BBC may choke, BBC v Nudgee will be a cracker (At Nudgee to)

15. agreed: the new game time is shit

16. so yeah, I think it's always tough to pick the AIC 1 forward pack as AIC does have quality forwards but i feel like you guys shouldn't completely rule out the Ashgrovian boys. but i do think AIC still should get an AIC 2 team so the closely matched players don't miss out on representing our competition


just my 2 cents, say what you want but it is a fairly accurate input

You are completely biased. And also quite up yourself. I know that's not what you want to hear but it's true.

1. Padua absolutely have a better team than Marist this year. They won by 11 points in round 2 with only 14 players on the field in the last 30 mins. They only play one game against eachother, and from the results it's clear who has a better team.

2. I agree that Marist has the best front row this year. Adams and Rafter are excellent props, while Cuneo is decent. O'Toole will have the 1 jersey, he played for Combined States last year against the QLD and NSW teams. His experience is irreplaceable.

3. AIC selection is based off who is the most complete in each position. Cuneo is a good hooker but lacks the size and aggression to clear rucks and provide any decent power in the scrums. Schweitzer and Kelly are both leagues ahead of him. Mckinnon has a chance at making it, his jumping is amazing, but his light body weight means he can't add much to the scrum or too a second rowers duty as an enforcer. I would much prefer Harry Enright as the starting #5 for AIC. Wratten is incredibly talented as a flanker, but will not make it over Justin Sikimeti. Wratten can run, but is not an aggressive, lineout jumping mongrel #6 like Sikimeti. Brosnan has potential, but like you said, his lack of running ability means that specialist opensides like Louis Schwenke and even blindsides like Wyatt Setu have the edge over him.

Ashgrove have great talent in their forwards this year, and it will show in the results, but there are players in other schools who have more individual talent.

4. We are looking at fullbacks as wings because there aren't very many talneted wings in AIC this year. Fullbacks have good running game and often are good wings, Mohr is an example of this. Excellent running, loves finishing tries off, will make a good wing. The #14 wing for AIC last year was the fullback for Iona. Happens all the time.

5. It is entirely true that AIC is getting weaker each year. No doubt whatsoever. Padua are curbstomping everyone this year, but would have been curbstomped themselves if they competed 2 years ago in the 09-13 year groups.

6. They have a chairmans XV team every year. It's pretty much a AIC 2 team with mixed AIC and CSS players. Hopefully the talented players who don't make AIC 1 will get a second chance.
 

Will Guenia

Frank Row (1)
You just literally wasted so much time writing stuff people are laughing at. The amount of ashgrove parents/old boys who can only make excuses and talk about how their forward pack are dominant is ridiculous.
If ashgrove forwards were so dominant they would have capitalised when they had one more player than padua for 30 minutes, yeah they have a good scrum who cares they lost and were out played in every other area. To be honest ashgrove team this year is the weakest time I've seen from them in the last 5 years and I'm sorry if your son is in the team
Couldn't agree more. The Ashgrove boys where polite and humble in defeat maybe you should take some pointers from them George McFerstion
 

The Kingfella

Bob McCowan (2)
I know this isnt the 2016 forum but the Peters firsts for 2016 will be the team to watch. Yeah sure the Marist and Padua 16s are going strong but with 11 year 11 players in the firsts this year they will be a tough team and will likely match marist and padua
 

IDMSportmedia

Herbert Moran (7)
I know this isnt the 2016 forum but the Peters firsts for 2016 will be the team to watch. Yeah sure the Marist and Padua 16s are going strong but with 11 year 11 players in the firsts this year they will be a tough team and will likely match marist and padua

Padua next year will be unstoppable. Don't even try and say other wise.
 

Koty30832

Allen Oxlade (6)
marist 2nds to win premiership?

I god damn hope not. But by the stats and logic tells us that they or probably will. Hoping for the 3 way way tie between SLC, SPC and ASH not just another out right ashgrove premiership. Cant believe they have there own jersey as well. Call me jealous but its true, nice touch this year.
 

George McFerston

Frank Row (1)
You just literally wasted so much time writing stuff people are laughing at. The amount of ashgrove parents/old boys who can only make excuses and talk about how their forward pack are dominant is ridiculous.
If ashgrove forwards were so dominant they would have capitalised when they had one more player than padua for 30 minutes, yeah they have a good scrum who cares they lost and were out played in every other area. To be honest ashgrove team this year is the weakest time I've seen from them in the last 5 years and I'm sorry if your son is in the team




well no because as previously stated padua has extremely good defense and i believe it was our backs that couldn't capitalise..
and yes on paper it mighten be our strongest team in previous years but table wise its the best in a while
 

George McFerston

Frank Row (1)
You are completely biased. And also quite up yourself. I know that's not what you want to hear but it's true.

1. Padua absolutely have a better team than Marist this year. They won by 11 points in round 2 with only 14 players on the field in the last 30 mins. They only play one game against eachother, and from the results it's clear who has a better team.

2. I agree that Marist has the best front row this year. Adams and Rafter are excellent props, while Cuneo is decent. O'Toole will have the 1 jersey, he played for Combined States last year against the QLD and NSW teams. His experience is irreplaceable.

3. AIC selection is based off who is the most complete in each position. Cuneo is a good hooker but lacks the size and aggression to clear rucks and provide any decent power in the scrums. Schweitzer and Kelly are both leagues ahead of him. Mckinnon has a chance at making it, his jumping is amazing, but his light body weight means he can't add much to the scrum or too a second rowers duty as an enforcer. I would much prefer Harry Enright as the starting #5 for AIC. Wratten is incredibly talented as a flanker, but will not make it over Justin Sikimeti. Wratten can run, but is not an aggressive, lineout jumping mongrel #6 like Sikimeti. Brosnan has potential, but like you said, his lack of running ability means that specialist opensides like Louis Schwenke and even blindsides like Wyatt Setu have the edge over him.

Ashgrove have great talent in their forwards this year, and it will show in the results, but there are players in other schools who have more individual talent.

4. We are looking at fullbacks as wings because there aren't very many talneted wings in AIC this year. Fullbacks have good running game and often are good wings, Mohr is an example of this. Excellent running, loves finishing tries off, will make a good wing. The #14 wing for AIC last year was the fullback for Iona. Happens all the time.

5. It is entirely true that AIC is getting weaker each year. No doubt whatsoever. Padua are curbstomping everyone this year, but would have been curbstomped themselves if they competed 2 years ago in the 09-13 year groups.

6. They have a chairmans XV team every year. It's pretty much a AIC 2 team with mixed AIC and CSS players. Hopefully the talented players who don't make AIC 1 will get a second chance.



ok, not bias but yes i have only made comments on the ashgrove boys

1. watch the word absolutely. it was a close 11 points with ashgrove not being able to capitalise numerous occasions (yes same with padua) and the cards is no excuse, the idiots shouldn't have got them self carded.

2. yes O'Toole more than definitely will probably get it i was just stating what you agreed with.

3. with McKinnon, I think that in a good team in some instances they would prefer a smart forward especially when you have amazing size in the front row (O'Toole ect..) Wrattan, agreed not his time this year, he does have mongrel i know him personally but he definitely has exactly shown this this year, hopefully can show himself next year. Brosnan, going to have to argue, absolute machine but he is injured so its irrelevant really. now Cuneo, he mighten be the biggest but he isn't exactly small I've seen Fraser, didn't think he was huge, and Jack brings a lot of aggression his persona on the field lifts the forwards more than off field people may realise. he is also quite good at scrumming and finishes of our front row nicely

unfortunately i think i might have to agree but also team cohesion is important and its also about how well they can work together as 8 becoming an awesome 1 than an amazing 8 people playing as individuals

4. Yeah i know the reason why but Merimba and Teevan are both pretty fantastic wingers and yes so is Campbell and yes there were other good wingers not just our 2. it doesn't really bother me i just feel a bit of sympathy for the good wingers being hidden by their inside mans shadow.

5. not curbstomping everyone but yeah we are weaker which sucks i guess

6. yeah but that results in talented css and other players missing out on their respected representative teams. i just feel it is slack by GPS or who ever it was that decided AIC 2 shouldn't be a thing but GPS 3 still shold be....
 

AICrugby101

Herbert Moran (7)
10 years ago no one would of picked the likes of Padua and St Edmund's to be on top of the AIC First XV table. They have shown some consistency over the past 5 or so years which is great to see. I have a question for Marist and Lauries old boys and supporters, what do you think is happening to your school's First XV rugby program? Why haven't the results been going their way? Honest opinions here please. I genuinely think that they still take their First XV programs very seriously, it's just these days the other schools are taking theirs to another level. The hunger and desire to win is stronger for those schools. Lauries have significantly dropped off and it's quite surprising with their school population being one of the biggest in the AIC with around 1700 to 1800 boys I believe.
 

Galloper

Darby Loudon (17)
10 years ago no one would of picked the likes of Padua and St Edmund's to be on top of the AIC First XV table. They have shown some consistency over the past 5 or so years which is great to see. I have a question for Marist and Lauries old boys and supporters, what do you think is happening to your school's First XV rugby program? Why haven't the results been going their way? Honest opinions here please. I genuinely think that they still take their First XV programs very seriously, it's just these days the other schools are taking theirs to another level. The hunger and desire to win is stronger for those schools. Lauries have significantly dropped off and it's quite surprising with their school population being one of the biggest in the AIC with around 1700 to 1800 boys I believe.

To the best of my knowledge, Padua has beaten Ashgrove only once in its history, and this year would be the first time ever that Padua's First XV will have finished ahead of Ashgrove on the ladder (assuming they beat SPLC).

As far as I know, Ashgrove has never lost the rugby aggregate competition (10/12 premierships last year), and will win it again easily this year.

So, after only one First XV victory, on your home ground, Paduans are going to start lecturing Ashgrove about its rugby superiority? OK.....

Just enjoy the view from the top while it lasts mate, because you won't be there for long. The Padua game at Ashgrove next year will be very interesting, to say the least.
 

The Ballkid

Herbert Moran (7)
I god damn hope not. But by the stats and logic tells us that they or probably will. Hoping for the 3 way way tie between SLC, SPC and ASH not just another out right ashgrove premiership. Cant believe they have there own jersey as well. Call me jealous but its true, nice touch this year.

Fair enough to put numbers on the back of the normal jersey but there own special jersey??? Certainly goes against tradition. I personally don't agree with it.
Was this done just for the weekend being Old Boys Day or have they been worn every week?
 
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