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AIC Rugby 2020

wendpt

Stan Wickham (3)
I could be wrong, but my impression is that SLC has the largest senior cohort, with Iona's probably larger than MCAs?

The fact that SLC is not involved in a single "A" final other than the First XV must be a bit of a concern for them.


Not sure it is an issue for Lauries just yet. You have remember they are trying to recover from a decade of poor engagement (even finishing 5th in the aggregate one year) which was unheard of). That trend is slowly being addressed but takes time.
The challenge for Lauries is cultural. MCA has exceptional coaches, especially at the junior level and Iona too has a very good program with a lot of boys taking advantage of the C2K Academy.
 

wendpt

Stan Wickham (3)
G-Banga's the name, spreadsheets and stats are the game…

Re the SLC Vs. MCA match up, here are some further statistics, specifically for the current Year 12 (2020) cohort going all the way back to 2015 (grade 7).

I am missing some data for the 2015-2016 B's teams and I have only a sketchy recollection of the trial match results from earlier this year. there is also 3x B's games data missing from 2018.


SLC Vs. MCA Head to Head (2015 – 2020) Year 12 Cohort
2015 - 7A’s - 32(MCA) 29(SLC)
2016 - 8A’s - 50(MCA) 5(SLC)
2017 - 9A’s - 14(MCA) 21(SLC)
2017 - 9B’s - 31(MCA) 5(SLC)
2018 - 10A’s - 17(MCA) 7(SLC)
2018 - 10B’s - 12(MCA) 29(SLC)
2019 - 2ndXV - 7(MCA) 8(SLC)
2019 - 1stXV - 22(MCA) 14(SLC)
2020 - 2ndXV - ??
2020 - 2ndXV - 35*(MCA) 5*(SLC)
*Uncertain of score
TOTAL POINTS - 220(MCA) 123(SLC)
TOTAL WINS - 7(MCA) 3(SLC)
‘A GRADE” WINS - 4(MCA) 1(SLC)



For results spanning all games across the cohorts involvement in AIC Rugby since 2015, the matchup is as follows:

Total AIC wins since 2015 (Grade 7’s*) including Game 3 2020
MCA - 51 wins** / 4 loss / 0 draws
SLC - 40 wins / 14 loss / 2 draws
* Including 1st & 2nd XV in 2019. Excluding B’s in 7’s & 8’s
** MCA had a game called off due to weather in 2016 or 2017.

Combined for/ against since 2015 (7’s*) to Game 3 2020
MCA 2467 for / 497 against. MCA have scored 5 points for every point against
SLC 1567 for / 749 against. SLC have scored 2 points for every point against
* Including 1st & 2nd XV in 2019. Excluding B’s in 7’s & 8’s

Good luck to all teams, hopefully Eddies (& possibly St Pats) don't have any issues with the Rona this weekend.

Edit - Formatting.


That is some impressive stats :)
 

My Arsenal

Peter Burge (5)
I could be wrong, but my impression is that SLC has the largest senior cohort, with Iona's probably larger than MCAs?

The fact that SLC is not involved in a single "A" final other than the First XV must be a bit of a concern for them.

I think SLC is probably pretty competitive in most age groups (but i don't know to be honest and will stand corrected) - Iona are always strong so no surprise to see them figuring prominently. SLC/IONA/MCA all big cohorts.

Still think some thought might have been given to playing the Opens at a venue that was neutral. It is what it is but I suspect that the MCA powers-that-be were never going to consider crossing over to the dark-side. Other Heads of Sport obviously didn't mind......
 

Echidna

Ward Prentice (10)
Iona will be very hard to beat for the next few years. MCAs 11 cohort are ok but 9 and 10 not as strong. Year 8 cohort very strong with alot of these boys prob making 1XV in year 11 (and a couple like Tom Howard) in yr10.
In the late 1980s they had Grand Finals and they were always held at MCA due to the better facilities / grandstand. If I recall 1988 GF was SLC v Iona, held there.
 

Supersid

Allen Oxlade (6)
2019 1st XV MCA 17-0 SLC
2019 2nd XV MCA 22-14 SLC

Year 11 MCA will be fine. The 2,7,8,12,11 all returning plus replacement centre and second row. They will be up there.
 

Tbone

Chris McKivat (8)
Still think some thought might have been given to playing the Opens at a venue that was neutral. It is what it is but I suspect that the MCA powers-that-be were never going to consider crossing over to the dark-side. Other Heads of Sport obviously didn't mind..[/quote]

At the time no games had been played and MCA were not a shoo-in. Call it bias but I'd think you'd have the Opens finals at the best venue regardless. Either way, SLC v MCA was at Runcorn last year and was being touted as a GF (bit too early as it turned out) so probably fair the game is at McMahon Oval this year.

Anyway, with limited crowds the home ground factor is diminished.
 

Echidna

Ward Prentice (10)
Word is that thanks to the virus out at the switch and impacting Eddies the chief medical officer is going to make a call on AIC sport going ahead this weekend. May be a non event.
 

ricky wong 21

Frank Row (1)
I think Villanova will have genuine First XV in a few years with the current 9A's being a very competitive team only losing to a much bigger Iona team by 1 point a few weeks ago. As well as keeping Lauries scoreless and rolling St Peters. Unfortunately, can't say the same for the current 10A's who have shown some improvement but lack size and team cohesion. Hopefully Villa's rugby program will be able to maintain some sort of competitiveness for the sake of AIC rugby now that the current year 12 cohort is graduating. So it's not just Marist, Lauries and Iona then everyone else playing for pride! The 2011 AIC competition was one of the closest ever, would be great to see AIC at that competitiveness again!
 

My Arsenal

Peter Burge (5)
Word is that thanks to the virus out at the switch and impacting Eddies the chief medical officer is going to make a call on AIC sport going ahead this weekend. May be a non event.
Would be a shame -Padua made the trek out to the switch amidst the wacol cluster - a little concerning that fixture wasn't cancelled actually.
 

thegoldandgreen

Frank Row (1)
Iona will be very hard to beat for the next few years. MCAs 11 cohort are ok but 9 and 10 not as strong. Year 8 cohort very strong with alot of these boys prob making 1XV in year 11 (and a couple like Tom Howard) in yr10.
In the late 1980s they had Grand Finals and they were always held at MCA due to the better facilities / grandstand. If I recall 1988 GF was SLC v Iona, held there.

dont know what you mean by the 10s being weaker, have been close if not equal to iona who have won the age group 5 times now just a matter of execution. iona in this age have alot of size and itll be close when it comes to first 2 years times. peters also seem to be a bit of a wild card in this age aswell along with padua and eddies who are also strong competitors. lots of depth to in this age group at mca, watched a few games this year of A's and it seems the mca backline very slick. forwards have size however are just being run like league players with no pick and drives and not much ruck presence. team maybe missing a few key forwards from injury as i havent seem them this year?
 

Echidna

Ward Prentice (10)
Yet to be confirmed but if George St shuts down AIC this weekend (Due to the Eddies situation) that it will go to for and against. May have been part of the admin rules done at the re-start of covid sports season incase no GF...stay tuned....and fingers crossed not the case.
 

Tbone

Chris McKivat (8)
Yet to be confirmed but if George St shuts down AIC this weekend (Due to the Eddies situation) that it will go to for and against. May have been part of the admin rules done at the re-start of covid sports season incase no GF.stay tuned..and fingers crossed not the case.

Oh FFS. MCA will NOT want to win like that. Just let the boys play.

I'm checking on how to emigrate to Sweden. THE only sensible country in the world it is starting to seem.
 

wendpt

Stan Wickham (3)
Yet to be confirmed but if George St shuts down AIC this weekend (Due to the Eddies situation) that it will go to for and against. May have been part of the admin rules done at the re-start of covid sports season incase no GF.stay tuned..and fingers crossed not the case.


I would be very surprised if it were to be based on F/A especially when the AFL for example was not decided that way. The precedent has been set in other sports to share the premiership. But let's hope everyone gets to play, especially those in their final year.
 

AnthemX1

Stan Wickham (3)
That didn't appear to work. Take 2. This is on the AIC web site,

STATEMENT FROM THE AIC MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE

Posted September 10, 2020 in News.
The AIC Management Committee have released a statement today, having decided to cancel the remainder of all AIC sport for the remainder of this term. This includes the Track and Field pre-season meet tonight, Chess finals on Friday night at SLC, Rugby and Football finals on Saturday and the Rugby League competitions that were set for Sep 18 (Primary) and Sep 21 & 22 (Secondary).
The Management Committee understands that our community, in particular our senior students will be disappointed but the association has always put the welfare of students and staff at the forefront and believe today’s decision is the most the responsible action.
Our thoughts and prayers are with those in our community directly affected by COVID-19.
AIC Statement September 10 2020
 

Torpedo Punt

Herbert Moran (7)
I would be very surprised if it were to be based on F/A especially when the AFL for example was not decided that way. The precedent has been set in other sports to share the premiership. But let's hope everyone gets to play, especially those in their final year.


The tennis also didnt rely on a countback with a joint 1st place after the GF was rained out...resulting in SLC first tennis premiership in 25 odd years ...Its off and a real shame...I think its more to do with the solidarity than the actual threat...Eddies unable to train, Pats probably also...and the rest is history....
 

My Arsenal

Peter Burge (5)
If both SLC and MCA were undefeated in their respective pools would a joint premiership be in order? Usually goes on points (wins) - will stand corrected though.
 
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