Australian Rugby / RA

[Wilson]

Honestly, Eddie, it’s time to come clean

Wallabies coach Eddie Jones is due to speak at a press conference on Tuesday. Now is the time for him to say whether he has been in contact with Japan - and if so, explain why.

www.smh.com.au

According to Paul Cully - now due to speak to media on Tuesday.

Good to see that article end on a positive note for Australian coaching:

5. The standout Australian in the NPC

Former Reds and Western Force No.10 Brock James will contest New Zealand’s NPC final next weekend after guiding his Hawke’s Bay side to the decider with a gutsy win in Wellington on Saturday. It’s been a wild ride for James. Two weeks ago, Hawke’s Bay won the Ranfurly Shield (also against Wellington) but then broke the iconic New Zealand trophy when the players went on a bender (one player was also charged with drink-driving).

Remarkably, the Magpies rebounded from that controversy to beat both Bay of Plenty and Wellington on the road to book a place in the final against Taranaki. James has excellent halfbacks in Brad Weber and Folau Fakatava, while the Force’s Chase Tiatia has had a big season in the No.12 jersey. However, they aren’t overly stacked with Super Rugby players and James is clearly a coach on the rise.

Early days in his coaching career but I hope RA and/or the super sides are keeping an eye on and staying in touch with Brock James. Without some sort of third tier there's not a hell of a lot of opportunity for Australian coaches coming up at that level below super, certainly not enough that we can ignore the ones doing well elsewhere.

Wouldn't mind finding a way to get some of our super coaches more experience over there same as we do with players, at least while we've got little else going on in that period - e.g. see if we can get guys like Rod Seib or Mick Heenan a spot as an assistant with one of the NPC sides for a season or two. Maybe even run it as an exchange program with one of the NPC side's coaches coming over for a stint during the super season. We should probably be doing more of this via our Japanese partnerships too.

 

[LeCheese]

Good to see that article end on a positive note for Australian coaching:


Early days in his coaching career but I hope Rugby Australia and/or the super sides are keeping an eye on and staying in touch with Brock James. Without some sort of third tier there's not a hell of a lot of opportunity for Australian coaches coming up at that level below super, certainly not enough that we can ignore the ones doing well elsewhere.

Wouldn't mind finding a way to get some of our super coaches more experience over there same as we do with players, at least while we've got little else going on in that period - e.g. see if we can get guys like Rod Seib or Mick Heenan a spot as an assistant with one of the NPC sides for a season or two. Maybe even run it as an exchange program with one of the NPC side's coaches coming over for a stint during the super season. We should probably be doing more of this via our Japanese partnerships too.

Of what we know of the high-performance alignment being proposed, has there been any mention of coaching pathways? It's no use aiming for 'the right people in the right roles' if there's no way to get them there.

 

[Sir Arthur Higgins]

Theres just something about him thats irritating, but bloody good at his job though

I think - what’s the point in writing the article then? What purpose does it serve? Only a negative for rugby / wallabies.
Hardly proven and Eddie is denying it so just comes off as cynical journalism “I want a headline”

 

[noscrumnolife]

I think - what’s the point in writing the article then? What purpose does it serve? Only a negative for rugby / wallabies.
Hardly proven and Eddie is denying it so just comes off as cynical journalism “I want a headline”

Welcome to modern journalism though haha, especially in Sports. The one thing Eddie does that I will always back him in for is how he gives it back to the press. They are perfectly happy to dish it out to him, but can't take it the moment it comes back their way. For mine, he treats them the way they treat him - with disrespect. The RWC campaign has been really poor, no doubt, and criticism of that ilk is fair. But many (especially looking at Fairfax media here) have been sharpening their knives well before that. It was the same when he was at England - his coaching from 2015-2019 was objectively very good and the English press pack would always talk him down.

Their are some good eggs for sure - I don't mind Doran, Nick Bishop. But it always irks me how little rugby journos in particular attempt to educate themselves on the modern game. They only deal in hackneyed cliches and default to the easiest narrative to write. Professional rugby is a completely different world to what us fans understand, the game has come a long, long way. But the vast majority still write about the sport like its 1994. If I wanted a fans perspective, I'd come to this forum.

They also never, ever admit when they are wrong. We've probably all read countless articles about how useless Foster is, and how the worst England team ever were headed for a pools exit under Borthwick. Bet ya bottom dollar the authors of those stories won't be putting their hand up and admitting they didn't have a clue.

 

[Members Section]

I think - what’s the point in writing the article then? What purpose does it serve? Only a negative for rugby / wallabies.
Hardly proven and Eddie is denying it so just comes off as cynical journalism “I want a headline”

His job is to break the story

 

[Derpus]

Welcome to modern journalism though haha, especially in Sports. The one thing Eddie does that I will always back him in for is how he gives it back to the press. They are perfectly happy to dish it out to him, but can't take it the moment it comes back their way. For mine, he treats them the way they treat him - with disrespect. The RWC campaign has been really poor, no doubt, and criticism of that ilk is fair. But many (especially looking at Fairfax media here) have been sharpening their knives well before that. It was the same when he was at England - his coaching from 2015-2019 was objectively very good and the English press pack would always talk him down.

Their are some good eggs for sure - I don't mind Doran, Nick Bishop. But it always irks me how little rugby journos in particular attempt to educate themselves on the modern game. They only deal in hackneyed cliches and default to the easiest narrative to write. Professional rugby is a completely different world to what us fans understand, the game has come a long, long way. But the vast majority still write about the sport like its 1994. If I wanted a fans perspective, I'd come to this forum.

They also never, ever admit when they are wrong. We've probably all read countless articles about how useless Foster is, and how the worst England team ever were headed for a pools exit under Borthwick. Bet ya bottom dollar the authors of those stories won't be putting their hand up and admitting they didn't have a clue.

The press have been pretty much fine. What have they done that they shouldn't have? The gall of the press to inquire about Eddie Jones fucking insanity and incompetence eh. How dare they.

There are, what, two dedicated rugby journos left in the country? Not sure what level of insight and analysis you are expecting.

 

[Slim 293]

I think - what’s the point in writing the article then? What purpose does it serve? Only a negative for rugby / wallabies.
Hardly proven and Eddie is denying it so just comes off as cynical journalism “I want a headline”

Er, no it doesn't...

There's been multiple sources in Japan and Australia that have confirmed the story to various journalists since Decent broke the news.

And Eddie hasn't actually dismissed the story outright... he's being very careful with his wording.

 

[Derpus]

Er, no it doesn't...

There's been multiple sources in Japan and Australia that have confirmed the story to various journalists since Decent broke the story.

And Eddie hasn't actually dismissed the story outright... he's being very careful with his wording.

Could just be a Japan negotiation thing keeping in mind face is a big deal for them. We can discuss a future contract but you can't discuss that we are discussing it.

 

[Wilson]

Of what we know of the high-performance alignment being proposed, has there been any mention of coaching pathways? It's no use aiming for 'the right people in the right roles' if there's no way to get them there.

Not really, or at least not beyond RA having a much greater hand in appointments, which is something that has already been in place on an ad hoc basis. Like everything else around RA's proposed model there is an almost complete lack of detail, at least in the public sphere.

 

[Wilson]

For those hanging out for the Eddie press conference it will be tomorrow morning:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1713749460759777373

Seems odd to publish the time in AEST for a press conference in Sydney so I'm guessing that was a misprint by Jamie and it'll be at 9:30 AM AEDT.

 

[Sir Arthur Higgins]

His job is to break the story

It’s not a story. It’s hearsay headline.
A story is jaoan approached Eddie because of abc and this was the convo and here’s where it sits.
I’m not unaware of modern journalism standard etc but it was just rumor mill.
And the follow up stories have hardly confirmed anything - they have said the same things over again

 

[Ignoto]

They also never, ever admit when they are wrong. We've probably all read countless articles about how useless Foster is, and how the worst England team ever were headed for a pools exit under Borthwick. Bet ya bottom dollar the authors of those stories won't be putting their hand up and admitting they didn't have a clue.

Perhaps the Journo's should write about RA and Eddie Jones attacking a Rugby Spectator for correctly labeling Jones for what he is; a traitor to Australian Rugby? Are either of those two going to have a "mea culpa" moment?

 

[Slim 293]

It’s not a story. It’s hearsay headline.
A story is jaoan approached Eddie because of abc and this was the convo and here’s where it sits.
I’m not unaware of modern journalism standard etc but it was just rumor mill.
And the follow up stories have hardly confirmed anything - they have said the same things over again

That's just a bonkers take...

Of course it's a story... it's a massive story.

And it's already been discussed ad nauseum, but Tom Decent would not have published that piece without backing up his sources - and since then the story has only grown with further confirmation from additional sources towards other journalists, and Eddie not exactly dismissing it outright.

 

[Sir Arthur Higgins]

That's just a bonkers take...

Of course it's a story... it's a massive story.

And it's already been discussed ad nauseum, but Tom Decent would not have published that piece without backing up his sources - and since then the story has only grown with further confirmation from additional sources towards other journalists, and Eddie not exactly dismissing it outright.

Maybe I just hate journos these days

 

[Members Section]

It’s not a story. It’s hearsay headline.
A story is jaoan approached Eddie because of abc and this was the convo and here’s where it sits.
I’m not unaware of modern journalism standard etc but it was just rumor mill.
And the follow up stories have hardly confirmed anything - they have said the same things over again

What?

he broke the original story of the zoom meeting

 

[Slim 293]

Let's not forget the ABC reported this on Friday:

Jones will be one of three candidates to meet with a Japanese selection panel after round one interviews were conducted online.

As reported during the Rugby World Cup, Jones did a Zoom interview in August, just days before the Wallabies played their final warm-up game against France.

Jones, who coached Japan from 2012 to 2015, denied he did the interview, but the ABC can confirm it did take place.

Eddie Jones to interview for Japan rugby coaching job after denying approach during Wallabies' World Cup campaign - ABC News

amp.abc.net.au

 

[Members Section]

Let's not forget the ABC reported this on Friday:

Eddie Jones to interview for Japan rugby coaching job after denying approach during Wallabies' World Cup campaign - ABC News

amp.abc.net.au

Well done for Catherine Murphy for breaking it.

Hopefully tomorrow is the resignation presser

 

[stillmissit]

Well apparently he does and his successes have coincided with a strong assistant.

???? I was talking about Eddie, who are you talking about?

 

[Derpus]

???? I was talking about Eddie, who are you talking about?

Eddie...

 

[stillmissit]

Eddie...

Can you inform me who were the great assistants he listened to?