KentwellCup>ShuteShield
Jimmy Flynn (14)
I don't know if youre being facetious but the clubs which will make it will be the ones with financial clout, playerbase, community and fanbase.
Australian Rugby / RA
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You left out "and who can actually win a few games here and there".....not everyone flocks to watch a rich loser
And Easts are bordered by Randwick and Uni who are both rolled gold certainties to be in
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KentwellCup>ShuteShield
Jimmy Flynn (14)
Well if you took out waratahs reps, easts certainly would be top of the pile.
PhilClinton
Geoff Shaw (53)
The loudest one in the room is also the first to get knifed in the hallway when results are going the wrong way.
Goosestep
Syd Malcolm (24)
lol true
Goosestep
Syd Malcolm (24)
Money talks
kiap
Steve Williams (59)
There's actually a double benefit here.
It not only increases the number of home games, but the ratio of away games in a closer time zone also goes up.
+1 Also agree with this, as per Zero ...
Am still sceptical about the downsides of Soup but, if we're locked into it, then improvements like these need to be found.
kiap
Steve Williams (59)
I thought @KentwellCup>ShuteShield was your other account!
and that sure is simple
25 years of that crap and we've never been worse, crowds are terrible, sponsors couldn't care less, the pro games on live support. so lets double down on it and dig faster..
Homer
Ted Fahey (11)
Outside the box. List RA and let fans buy shares and have voting rights (cap on how much anyone can buy to stop people from certain North Sydney schools trying to buy up too much to maintain the status quo). Would raise a few bucks and create more oversight on board and executive spending.
noscrumnolife
Jimmy Flynn (14)
yep. super rugby is a dead brand in the eyes of the general public. all well and good a few forum members with positive memories saying if we just keep tweaking it she'll be right.
the answer to super rugby being the dogs bollocks is not more super rugby. it's a new competition with fresh ideas, fresh investment, fresh ownership. the wallabies won't go to shit if we start a new competition, our best players will just go overseas and we can crack on with a model that makes geographical and financial sense and actually has the capacity to grow the game. Without the intervention of the crummy states. Doesn't mean you never have to watch Queensland, NSW, ACT etc ever play rugby again either...they will just become representative teams like they should be.
Brett Clark: "I'd sooner burn an effigy of Hamish McLennan than let RA take a hold of QRU commercial assets"...regardless of your personal feelings about the hammer, is that really the sensible kind of chatter that implies he is driven by sound business decision making, not ego, pride and emotion? professional organisations don't talk in this way...just another emperor in new clothes looking after his silly little empire.
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Trevor Allan (34)
I did not like that statement from him. If that was Hamish, there would be pages of comments. It shows it was clearly a power struggle and might be the worst statement from any party in the whole sad affair so far. States have got away with murder and haven’t wasted a crisis to move the blame onto another equally incompetent entity.
dru
Tim Horan (67)
It seems strange to me that in a country like Australia we seem to have such a poor understanding of the reality of federalism.that the nature of federalism is not really captured. How often have we ever seen the States feel a need to follow a National govt lead? Even if both State and Federal govt are the same party? In essence within rugby there are no parties (every State Ru with factions that may or may not cross borders) and no necessary political alignment. We can anticipate a greater disparity between State and Federal in Rugby than in our parliaments.
It seems fairytale stuff to expect the State RUs to openly and enthusiastically drop in behind a National lead - especially when that leadership has been palpably poor and rarely treating State viewpoints with respect.
As a Qld-er, even though I have often been concerned with QRU exec management, I feel quite calm with this:
I've seen a lot worse from Palaszczuk on Albenese.
The bigger practicality here is RA stupidity in pushing a specific vision that the States had a bad reaction to, and not doing anything to ensure buy-in from the State RUs. At best cart before the horse.
It is the same problem I have with the "third tier" apparently devolving into an NSW and Qld initiative. No evidence there of working the matter through and buy-in from the RA voters. At best this makes the result a Dutch lottery.
It seems fairytale stuff to expect the State RUs to openly and enthusiastically drop in behind a National lead - especially when that leadership has been palpably poor and rarely treating State viewpoints with respect.
As a Qld-er, even though I have often been concerned with QRU exec management, I feel quite calm with this:
I've seen a lot worse from Palaszczuk on Albenese.
The bigger practicality here is RA stupidity in pushing a specific vision that the States had a bad reaction to, and not doing anything to ensure buy-in from the State RUs. At best cart before the horse.
It is the same problem I have with the "third tier" apparently devolving into an NSW and Qld initiative. No evidence there of working the matter through and buy-in from the RA voters. At best this makes the result a Dutch lottery.
hoggy
Trevor Allan (34)
Everything is turning to shit but lets stick with the one thing that has pretty much been part of that slow decline for 25 years.
Why not try something new, Super Rugby hasn't worked for god knows how long, what exactly do we have to lose anymore.
wamberal99
Johnnie Wallace (23)
A more pertinent measure of your avidness (sic) is whether you can name more than one club team from the Sydney and Brisbane competitions now. Incidentally, the Sydney competition was televised live on the ABC for many years. The Brisbane comp was advertised too. I recall Friday night games at Ballymore??
It is a simple fact that both the NRL and AFL were built on the foundations of their strongest club competitions. Of course both codes were stronger than ours, but we have to start somewhere if we are to create a national competition.
Tazzmania
Charlie Fox (21)
Not comparable as the AFL and NRL are for all intents and purposes soley Australian run and administered sports with little to no following or interaction elsewhere in the world
hoggy
Trevor Allan (34)
What has that got to do with it. So the game is played in some other countries in the world.
So because we play Test rugby then we cannot have a domestic competition, has someone told the French. They are comparable, because they are competing with us for eyeballs each weekend of the season.
And guess who's winning.
dru
Tim Horan (67)
Does it matter what model is most effective for investors or anyone else if those who seek to implement it are incapable or uninterested in the working through the system that exists to achieve it?
Every executive has to work with the system they step into if they want to change it.
noscrumnolife
Jimmy Flynn (14)
The other alternative is that those with actual power over the system (in particular, NSWRU, QRU and ACT Rugby) could stop hiding behind the line they are "protecting the community game" which they are not. They could cede control over the game voluntarily as they control the governance structure and work together rather than against each other to help build a new professional competition, one they don't run and control the growth of. I'm sure this will attract a reply like "well why would they do that, its not in their interest" - yep, that's exactly the point and why its so frustrating, all they do is act in their own interest and not as custodians of the game we all love.
The community game is protecting the community game, the deliverance of consecutive losses or sub six-figure small profits which blow with the wind aren't exactly doing much for your local rugby club. Further, every year professional rugby in this country continues its terminal decline is another year of lowered participation amongst youths - which is what the eventual death of the game will be a result of.
But nup, who books the profits from taxpayer funded Ballymore is more important than any of that, play on, love that Brett Clark and Matt Nobbs gave it large ones to the dogs at RA and Hammer the dickhead, woohoo.
Tazzmania
Charlie Fox (21)
Have you looked at the French club squads, made up of players from many different nations as well as France.
This adds to the intrigue, competitiveness and eyes on the competition as its not only local players that make up the teams.
In a small way similar to the EPL in England that draws the best players to make it a good club competition, where most clubs are stronger than international teams