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Colin Windon (37)
Did he just become a good sales rep by himself, or did the company spend years investing, coaching and developing him?
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Derpus
George Gregan (70)
If they spent years developing him they should have known his market value and taken steps to fend off the inevitable competition for his talent. Free market baby.
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Colin Windon (37)
Maybe, it all just feels quite machiavellian though
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Cyril Towers (30)
And what if Flook suffers the infamous second year syndrome?
Derpus
George Gregan (70)
It isnt even remotely machiavellian. There is no conspiring or deception. Hell, he came out and openly said he was considering an offer from the NRL and even went so far as to say it was a hard decision.
Its on RA mate.
in his 5th year of Super Rugby? That would be some effort.
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Colin Windon (37)
On RA how?
Hard decision? This was the easiest decision he’s ever made. Rugby was clearly just a stepping stone for him
It was such a hard decision for him that it took a whole 3 weeks and he’s signing a deal for 2025 while we are still in 2023
Derpus
George Gregan (70)
Mate I have absolutely no sympathy for employers who dont properly value their employees. They can eat shit. Someone else comes along to pay them what they are worth and somehow its the players fault? Grow up.
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Colin Windon (37)
Again, how did they not value him? He was offered a fair contact and turned it down
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John Eales (66)
I'm disappointed in Marky Mark (Nawaqanitawase)'s departure but as Derp so eloquently pointed out, he's walking from a dysfunctional employer after performing well personally. He owes them nothing.
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Andrew Slack (58)
What does this mean? And specifically, not some wishy washy nonsense about development time put in or the draw of a BILs tour. He's probably leapfrogged Marika as the Wallabies best winger. He's definitely established himself as being one of the Waratahs top 2 players. There's no possibility that French and Japanese sides haven't reached out with substantial offers. He was unreasonably left out of the Wallabies 23 entirely for the opening RC fixture for a League Winger on big bucks that he's outperformed on every metric, then endured what must have been an emotionally oppressive month at the RWC, through no fault of his own, continuing to be one of the WOBs top performers at all times.
What constitutes a fair contract? What conditions, length and remuneration adequately reflect his overall ability, his track record on the field, and the instability, stress and underperformance of his employer?
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Colin Windon (37)
I'd say this is the biggest loss to league we've suffered and probably by some margin unless I'm completely forgetting someone. His 2022 spring tour was very impressive. What evidence there is to suggest Suallii (spelling) is going to be better at pro rugby level I do not know.
But you can't blame the kid. He may well be done at 30. Which either means 7 years likely toiling away at NSW not winning anything or playing on games anyone really cares about, maybe getting picked for the wallabies and maybe not. And if so playing in a wallaby team that is just as likely to suck for another generation than not. Probably go thru at least 2 and maybe 3 coaches in that time.
Or he goes to the most popular thing in town. An established competition in which a many people show great interest.
It's already been said but I think for a lot of young men that have grown up in Australia, international travel for rugby, playing in a WC and a BIL tour simply aren't that alluring. A lot of good young rugby players probably watch more league on TV than they do rugby.
But you can't blame the kid. He may well be done at 30. Which either means 7 years likely toiling away at NSW not winning anything or playing on games anyone really cares about, maybe getting picked for the wallabies and maybe not. And if so playing in a wallaby team that is just as likely to suck for another generation than not. Probably go thru at least 2 and maybe 3 coaches in that time.
Or he goes to the most popular thing in town. An established competition in which a many people show great interest.
It's already been said but I think for a lot of young men that have grown up in Australia, international travel for rugby, playing in a WC and a BIL tour simply aren't that alluring. A lot of good young rugby players probably watch more league on TV than they do rugby.
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Colin Windon (37)
A 4 year contract for over $500,000 a year is a fair contract for a 22 year old with 11 test caps
“Emotionally oppressive month” - What was that you were saying about Hyperbole earlier? If it was that terrible to spend 6 weeks in the south of France playing international Rugby for your nation, he may not enjoy the Sunday afternoon drive to Penrith
eastman
Arch Winning (36)
Have you never left a job for a higher paying opportunity?
eastman
Arch Winning (36)
That’s exactly what happened.
No one should spend any time responding to this dude by the way.
Dan54
Tim Horan (67)
Probably is, but if another winger/back is getting paid 3 times that amount with less experience etc hasn't that just made the fair or value of players completely different?
The market value of players was changed with the buying of one league player, so in general players are going to feel that (and for pride's sake) they should be valued in comparison.
Tomthumb
Colin Windon (37)
Why not? You seem to just come out of the woodwork to have a personal pop at me all the time
hoggy
Trevor Allan (34)
Yep, most young folk can travel the world with Jetstar & Air Asia these days.
The whole travel the world thing says more about rugby's aging fan base than anything else.
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John Thornett (49)
So RA y day in a mad dash to shred all B&I brochures y day because Marky was spose to be the face of the tour. I know its only a small thing but seriously what else can go wrong at this point.