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Herbert Moran (7)
Right, thanks SV, as I said might be wrong I'm not sure. Wasn't Sua'ali'i in year 9 last year playing firsts?
CAS 2019
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Right, thanks SV, as I said might be wrong I'm not sure. Wasn't Sua'ali'i in year 9 last year playing firsts?
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RugbyLover29
Bob McCowan (2)
Anyone no the possible CAS Team for this year
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Herbert Moran (7)
My early CAS Side
1. Aisea Aholelei (W)/Hugo Heyman (C)/Dane Wilson (B)
2. Billy Pollard (B)
3. Malachai Hawkes (T)
4. Oliver Buchanan (T)
5. Ollie Hughes (K)
6. Oscar Cheal (K)
7. Lachie Bible (C) /Marco Morretti (W)
8. Miller Pelesasa (T)
9. Tas Smith (C)
10. Sione Vuki (T) /Ronald Volkman (W)
11. Peter North (C)
12. Sam Rechner (K)/Lathan Hutchinson-Walters (W)/Jaymesson Ieremia (T)
13. Levi Milford (W)
14. Kyle Galloway (B)
15. Spencer Spalding (A)
Think the toughest to pick will be the prop, with Hawkes a guarantee and the other up for grabs, as well as centres if all players are injury free.
Second row is tough to pick as there are no stand outs but these are the notable tall timber men at the moment.
Back three as always very contested. Cheal deserving a spot, Pelesasa if he is injury free and have heard of Bible's talent, but unsure yet.
Halves I believe are strong, Knox halves pairing of Constable and Fitzgerald is likened but I believe Constable to be a little overrated and despite Fitzgerald's strong kicking game, Vuki covers anyone in defence and has good control in attack.
Back three has some speed on the wings, not sure if Spalding will play fullback but I believe hes gotta be on the park in the midst of the difficult 12 selection.
Might have left a few out that I'm unsure of so please no harsh criticisms, simply open for discussion.
1. Aisea Aholelei (W)/Hugo Heyman (C)/Dane Wilson (B)
2. Billy Pollard (B)
3. Malachai Hawkes (T)
4. Oliver Buchanan (T)
5. Ollie Hughes (K)
6. Oscar Cheal (K)
7. Lachie Bible (C) /Marco Morretti (W)
8. Miller Pelesasa (T)
9. Tas Smith (C)
10. Sione Vuki (T) /Ronald Volkman (W)
11. Peter North (C)
12. Sam Rechner (K)/Lathan Hutchinson-Walters (W)/Jaymesson Ieremia (T)
13. Levi Milford (W)
14. Kyle Galloway (B)
15. Spencer Spalding (A)
Think the toughest to pick will be the prop, with Hawkes a guarantee and the other up for grabs, as well as centres if all players are injury free.
Second row is tough to pick as there are no stand outs but these are the notable tall timber men at the moment.
Back three as always very contested. Cheal deserving a spot, Pelesasa if he is injury free and have heard of Bible's talent, but unsure yet.
Halves I believe are strong, Knox halves pairing of Constable and Fitzgerald is likened but I believe Constable to be a little overrated and despite Fitzgerald's strong kicking game, Vuki covers anyone in defence and has good control in attack.
Back three has some speed on the wings, not sure if Spalding will play fullback but I believe hes gotta be on the park in the midst of the difficult 12 selection.
Might have left a few out that I'm unsure of so please no harsh criticisms, simply open for discussion.
WLF
Arch Winning (36)
R1,
Good effort, but the difficulty is not many people have seen all our CAS teams play.
I think the side will be very different,it will be clearer after the first 2 rounds.
Steve Jane23
Stan Wickham (3)
I agree, as we see sides becoming successful in the first two rounds there will most likely be a stronger representation from those sides and less from those not so successful. Saying that, the competition is looking much tighter this year so there may not be a side that dominates selections as much. Guess we’ll have to wait and see...
RugbyLover29
Bob McCowan (2)
My team
1. Aisea Aholelei (W)
2. Billy Pollard (B)
3. Malachai Hawkes (T)
4. Oliver Buchanan (T)
5. Ollie Hughes (K)
6. Oscar Cheal (K)
7. Marco Morretti (W)
8. Miller Pelesasa (T)
9. Tas Smith (C)
10. Ronald Volkman (W)
11. Peter North (C)
12.Lathan Hutchinson-Walters (W)
13. Levi Milford (W)
14. Kyle Galloway (B)
15. Spencer Spalding (A)
Reserves
Lachie Bible (C)
Sione Vuki (T)
Hugo Heyman (C)
Sam Rechner (K)
Watch out for
10 from SAC Tom Sidgreaves can play 9/10 real good play maker Played for Drummoyne last year and played NSW Gen Blues 1 last year on the bench.
noeyeddear
Allen Oxlade (6)
runningrugby its good to get the discussion moving, so, respectfully - no harsh criticism from me.
Nevertheless, I disagree with the mix of players there if the side were to be picked today. The trial form will be what the selectors will be looking at - not reputations. Common sense says that who you played against will be taken into account.
Therefore, I can't see Trinity, who had a low scoring draw with Shore, struggled to get over Oakhill, and pulled out of playing last weekend altogether, having 5 players out of 15 in the CAS #1 team. As an example, if Vuki has good control in attack, why did they not score more points against those 2 very weak teams? Knox put 70 on Oak Hill and 50 plus on Shore, while Barker put 65 on Oak Hill and 75 on Shore - seems like their 10's must have more control in attack than Trinity's?
Aloys just got over the top of Shore's 2nd XV, then straight after on the same field Barker destroyed Shore's firsts. So if Brook battled to beat Aloys then really where does that leave Cranbrook's pre-season wins against third-tier teams like TAS, Grammar, Pius and Gregs??? Consequently, 4 Cranbrook players in the CAS firsts seems unfeasible at this point.
Really, the GPS team will come from J, K, S, N, and I. Barker played 4 of them, Waverley and Knox 3 of them. Players who have performed against these teams will surely be the yardstick for the #1 CAS team. You can probably take a few more chances with the #2 team.
Spalding is Aloys best, but he is a 12, not a 15. There are specialist 15s - eg Vass at Barker who has scored bagfuls of tries and has the required speed to play in that spot. Spalding has a massive boot, is a good goal kicker and defender, and plays the ball well at the advantage line. He does not have the speed of other contenders to play wider out.
#7 has to be Breden from Knox or Wheals from Barker - tough proven performers against the best opposition.
The #10 would surely be between Volkman from Waverley and Ovenden from Barker- both have unlocked the GPS defences with their running game. Who has the better kicking game, vision or passing game? I don't know. Ovenden has a wonderful long and short passing game to complement his speed. Volkman has played alot of centre before this season due to his amazing footwork and powerful running, so they might both end up in the team.
So, if it was picked today, I would expect 12/13 starters out of the CAS 1s to come from B, W, K.
CAS 2s would be much more of a spread of representation.
Of course - there are 2 rounds of CAS before selections for the boys from T, A and C to prove the trial form wrong. Which I am sure they will be fired up to do!! Bring on round 1.
Steve Jane23
Stan Wickham (3)
At this point, who would be your 2/3 starters from trinity, aloys, brook?
noeyeddear
Allen Oxlade (6)
That's a fair question.
I have only seen Aloys play this year out of those 3, so I would be relying on previous year's games on Brook and Trinity.
Hawkes from T will be there I would assume - has always been a good player. With Pollard at 2, he would have to be prop to start the game though.
It would be hard to pick any Aloys players at all having watched them against Shore 2nds - they were awful. But I know Spalding is a good player - again he will compete against Rechner, LHW and maybe even Volkman at 12. So I actually don't think they will get a starter this year. I am sure he will be in one of the squads somewhere though.
Cranbrook's fullback and outside centre were always their best players in past years - so perhaps 1 or both of them may get a start.
SonnyDillWilliams
Nev Cottrell (35)
Well there are 2 rounds and particularly 1st round will influence decisions
Imho. As good match ups.
However at this stage my team would be
1. Brown (b)
2. Pollard (b)
3. Wilson (b)
4. Rice (w)
5. Cameron (b)
6. Fretton (w)
7. Cheal (k)
8. Moretti (w) or o’reilly (c)
9. Smith (c)
10. Volkman (w)
11. North (c)
12. Hutchison-Walters (w)
13. Rechner (k)
14. Galloway (b)
15. Vass (b) or Spalding (a)
In the mix ... kablu (k) Hayman (c) gratwicke (k) Hawkes (t) midford (w) Ovenden (b)
Whether Hutchison Walters could be played at 15 and effectively switched with spalding
Imho. As good match ups.
However at this stage my team would be
1. Brown (b)
2. Pollard (b)
3. Wilson (b)
4. Rice (w)
5. Cameron (b)
6. Fretton (w)
7. Cheal (k)
8. Moretti (w) or o’reilly (c)
9. Smith (c)
10. Volkman (w)
11. North (c)
12. Hutchison-Walters (w)
13. Rechner (k)
14. Galloway (b)
15. Vass (b) or Spalding (a)
In the mix ... kablu (k) Hayman (c) gratwicke (k) Hawkes (t) midford (w) Ovenden (b)
Whether Hutchison Walters could be played at 15 and effectively switched with spalding
Steve Jane23
Stan Wickham (3)
Not a bad team at all sdw, wouldn’t be surprised if gratwicke was in there at 6 as you’ve noted, and hawkes at prop. Front row looking pretty tight this year. Your boy fretton at 6, is he one of the year 11 boys? Haven’t heard much of him. I don’t know if Spaulding will get a spot, I’d probably rather see Vass there, a bit more pace. On the whole, I think that team will come pretty close to the one we see in a couple weeks time.
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Allen Oxlade (6)
Agree, if you roll out a third of the Trinity team against GPS 1sts, deep poo poo.
From trial form against the GPS , Barker, Knox and Waves should make up 90% of the team.
Trinity has had poor performances with no stand outs , Hawkes the only possible here.
Backline may come down to combinations 10,12 and 15 need to have played together with short prep.
Barker boys get the nod from what I have seen so far , Rechner and Spalding pushing as quality however Rechner had a bad injury ? , is he still playing?.
SonnyDillWilliams
Nev Cottrell (35)
Re Fretton ... he is one u need if you want to beat gps
However he is a leaguie... so whether he is available for selection... no idea
All I do know is he is a kiwi ... and you only have to watch the joeys v Waverley footage from sidesteppa to see he consistently made barnstorming runs ... left a lot of joeys roadkill
And Knox will have their work cut out containing him
If someone can do that in next 2 rounds they have my vote
However he is a leaguie... so whether he is available for selection... no idea
All I do know is he is a kiwi ... and you only have to watch the joeys v Waverley footage from sidesteppa to see he consistently made barnstorming runs ... left a lot of joeys roadkill
And Knox will have their work cut out containing him
If someone can do that in next 2 rounds they have my vote
runningrugby1
Herbert Moran (7)
Understand your point, but that's the unfortunate thing about schoolboy rugby, a lot of blokes with talent, but aren't considered because they're not in the best team. ??
Vuki was knocked out in the Shore game (at which point they were leading comfortably) and then did not play in the Oakhill game. Interestingly following your logic, he played the whole game when Trinity put 50 on St Pats......
I understand the issue with Spalding, as I mentioned the tough 12 selection makes it difficult for him, just think he should be an option. Vass is a viable option that I considered, a great boot and great speed.
Breden I apologise I missed, a good strong player that has put on size over the offseason too.
Trinity have had a very weak preseason - but of the five players I have in the side four of them missed either all the games or a number of them. I think many underestimate the talent they have there, they just can't fill the spots if they have any injuries. If the two big Samoan boys play at 8 and 12, there'll be boys getting hurt.
concernedcranbrookmum
Bob McCowan (2)
Aloys V Cranbrook on the weekend showed each CAS their strength and force, Which being a Cranbrook Supporter, Aloys Should of Won. But I reckon Aloys had a big Tight-Head who was brutal and could give anyone a good run for their money, I think he played 1st XV Last year and played all three front row positions, He is real Front Rower if I've ever seen one, got the build, game strength, Rugby IQ and brutality in the Break Down. I think his name is Jack McNeil???
WLF
Arch Winning (36)
SDW, Fretton I believe he is out for the season, poor boy, 3rd concussion in 18 months v Kings, that is why he didn't play v View.
He is in year 11, believe it or not, so hopefully back next year.
I think your early CAS team is what I would also choose minus Fretton. I would most certainly have picked him, he is a very powerful player with size, strength and speed. The Waves 15 Max D'Gostino is also a real contender IMO.
SonnyDillWilliams
Nev Cottrell (35)
WLF, That is a real shame re Fretton ... and maybe it makes the selectors job easier (assuming he was known to them)... as whether picking someone new to CAS might of been problematic.
Anyway hope Fretton is back to good health ASAP ... I think Waverley will be unstoppable in 2020.
It is a good point re quality players in under-performing sides. Good selectors should be able to identify them.
I do recall a kid by the name of Stoyles from Sydney Grammar (originally he was from WavCol)... he was marking Joeys Matt Burke ... who was unstoppable. Tim was a 1 man tackling machine... it was like 1 man against 15, and he kept knocking Burkie over ... Stoylesy went on to make Aussie Schools. (Possibly the last SGS Aussie Schools Rep?)
So I reckon there may well be some real gems in the Aloys & Trinity teams ... I just haven't seen either team play.
Anyway hope Fretton is back to good health ASAP ... I think Waverley will be unstoppable in 2020.
It is a good point re quality players in under-performing sides. Good selectors should be able to identify them.
I do recall a kid by the name of Stoyles from Sydney Grammar (originally he was from WavCol)... he was marking Joeys Matt Burke ... who was unstoppable. Tim was a 1 man tackling machine... it was like 1 man against 15, and he kept knocking Burkie over ... Stoylesy went on to make Aussie Schools. (Possibly the last SGS Aussie Schools Rep?)
So I reckon there may well be some real gems in the Aloys & Trinity teams ... I just haven't seen either team play.
Eyes and Ears
Bob Davidson (42)
Tim could really tackle - he had amazing technique. The Burke match was in 1990. Tim went off injured at half time and the flood gates opened. He made Aust schoolboys in 1991. The SGS 1991 team wasn't that weak. They beat every team they played in the trials and I think had 2 wins in a very strong GPS comp plus a close loss to Scots when they scored 2 tries to nil. The strength of the GPS comp was reflected with a 50+ to nil score against CAS 1s.
I don't think he was the last Aussie rep as I thought one of the Mower boys made Aussie schools too.
I don't think he was the last Aussie rep as I thought one of the Mower boys made Aussie schools too.
Number 7
Darby Loudon (17)
Ive seen both teams play once. The only real gem that stood out for me was Malachi Hawkes for Trinity who was incredible in the draw against Shore 1sts. He scrummaged strongly and ran the ball well right to the final whistle. I dont think Miller played that day though and I have seen him put in impressive performances many times in the past.
Aloys were pretty ordinary against Shore 2nd's. I hope for their sake that it was a bad day out for them and/or there were players missing because the performance was mediocre with no individual stand-outs