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CAS Rugby 2014

Elfster

Jim Clark (26)
Knox 45 Aloys 5
7 tries to 1. A spirited display by Aloys but Knox had too much class. A good effort by the Aloys forwards though. Were quite disruptive.
Both sides struggled with the greasy and treacherous surface.
 

WavesToWin

Chris McKivat (8)
Some results from Waverley vs. Barker fixtures,
1st XV: Wav def Barker 19-15
2nd XV: Barker def Wav 27-0 *I believe*
16A's: Barker def Wav 14-10
16B's: Barker def Wav 7-0
 

rugbyfanatic91

Stan Wickham (3)
Sounds like a pretty good day of footy, although i don't see brook getting up in the 1s next week at Knox. Not with there current form. The coaches at Brooke are a bit to choppy and changey with the team for my liking.
Any 2ndXV and or 16s Results cheers?
 

Bad boy

Frank Nicholson (4)
Some results from Waverley vs. Barker fixtures,
1st XV: Wav def Barker 19-15
2nd XV: Barker def Wav 27-0 *I believe*
16A's: Barker def Wav 14-10
16B's: Barker def Wav 7-0
Great win by the Wavs....but again I question the development going on at Barker. In an earlier post I expressed disappointment about Barkers development and since then they have been beaten by St Aloysius and now a massive turnaround from 1st round to be beaten by Waverley andBarker were at home. Barker also have the NSW coach but I am hereto tell you he is sadly lacking in the ability to develop a strong program throughout the school. Each year since the previous director left the depth of Barker rugby has got weaker.
 

SonnyDillWilliams

Nev Cottrell (35)
Waves has really turned their season around ... And knox still with a lot to play for next week ... Widders-lee!

I know LG and others said he was quiet on Aussie championships, but seriously this kid has white -line fever ... Never heard of such a prolific try scoring hooker ... Oh well Lucky I am not a Aussie schools selector , be a fairly different team ... Wonder if injuries opening up more spots?
 

Kevin Gill

Frank Row (1)
Sounds like a pretty good day of footy, although i don't see brook getting up in the 1s next week at Knox. Not with there current form. The coaches at Brooke are a bit to choppy and changey with the team for my liking.
Any 2ndXV and or 16s Results cheers?


Brook's lineup has been "choppy and changey" due to concussion and injury i'm pretty sure. Results-wise, Cranbrook's 2ndXV def Trinity 2ndXV and same with the 16a's
 

Snort

Vay Wilson (31)
For anyone interested:

Match report Trinity v Cranbrook

It isn't often that a team gets to play a return match against a school it's beaten 81-8, and Cranbrook will have approached this game full of confidence. Its motivation was to take another step towards a first Plume Shield in 20 years; Trinity, on the other hand, its shallow resources exposed by injuries, was playing for pride. A dismal wet morning cleared into a lovely, mild and sunny afternoon.

The play

Play was very even for the first eight minutes or so, Trinity holding possession and sustaining good pressure in Cranbrook's quarter. But, throughout the game, the breakdown generated as many penalties as second-phase balls, and a player not releasing allowed Cranbrook a relieving penalty. 11 Studdy stood up his marker and made a good run for Cranbrook, beating two tacklers, before a Cranbrook knock-on in Trinity's quarter. A penalty for offside gave 10 Renton his first shot for goal, in front on the quarter-line, and he made no mistake: 3-0 Cranbrook.

From the kick-off, Renton split the defence, ran 50 metres, and gave a clever scissors pass to 15 Wilson, who ran in the try. Renton converted: 10-0 Cranbrook.

Cranbrook broke out from the next kick-off as well, 1 Hill bursting out on a 40 metre run. A penalty at the breakdown gave Renton another shot from 30 metres: 13-0 Cranbrook. At least Trinity prevented another breakout from the next kick-off, but only because of a high tackle by 1 McLennan on 7 Szangolies which earned Cranbrook yet another penalty. McLennan redeemed himself with a surging counter-attacking run, which might have produced a better result but for a piece of offside play by Cranbrook so cynical that a different referee might have reached for a yellow card. Trinity chose the scrum over the shot for goal, an odd decision given that the score was only 13-0. Attacking pressure was sustained for a few phases before a knock-on turned over possession to Cranbrook.

Renton slotted his third penalty from another whistle at the breakdown: Cranbrook 16-0. Trinity might have dropped their heads at this point, but fought back well. They dominated Cranbrook at the line-out, with 5 Rasch in great form, and competed furiously in the loose. Again they earned a penalty in Cranbrook's quarter, again opted for a scrum and again spilled possession a few phases later, allowing 3 Rathie to make a strong run out of defence. Finally, from a breakdown penalty, 15 Fish kicked for goal to put Trinity on the board: it was 16-3 at half time.

Wilson didn't take the field for the second half, with Studdy moving to full-back for Cranbrook. Cranbrook was first to score, predictably through Renton's boot, predictably from a breakdown penalty (for failing to release): 19-3 Cranbrook. But 6 Summerhayes made a rare error, allowing the kick-off to bounce into touch. Gathering a loosetap from a lineout, 2 Nguyen charged 25 metres down the blind side, running over the top of the replacement winger, to score for Trinity: 19-8 when the kick was missed. Trinity was encouraged and produced some fine sustained attack, with 13 Saofia making one huge run. After two scrums close to the Cranbrook line, 6 Filipo rolled over from short range, and Fish converted: 19-15 and for a moment the upset seemed possible.

But not for long. Cranbrook worked the ball into Trinity's quarter, the defence was stretched, and Renton gave 14 Edelstein a clear run to the corner. Renton - read this closely - missed the conversion: 24-15 Cranbrook.

Moments later, Cranbrook's favourite attacking move worked to perfection. From a lineout, 8 Makas stood outside the centres and charged through a gap. He surged past a few reluctant defenders and scored under the posts after a spectacular 50 metre run. Renton's goal made it 31-15.

Still, Trinity didn't give up. 10 Siteine cleverly put Fish through a gap, and he scored after a weaving run: 31-20. A ridiculously pedantic offside penalty gave Renton one last shot, from about 28 metres: 34-20. Trinity had one last fling, and nearly scored from a clever grubber kick only for the touch judge to rule that the ball had been lost forward. And so it ended 34-20, three tries each.

It was a fiercely contested game, and there was no doubt that the better team won. Trinity outplayed Cranbrook in the line-out, and matched it in the loose; Cranbrook had the stronger scrum. Trinity was rather one-dimensional in attack, charging bravely at the defensive line, but usually with high body height, so they were picked off by Cranbrook defenders who are good one-on-one tacklers and are well-organized. Cranbrook's backs aren't very penetrative either, but they had the one player on the field who had the ability to break a set defensive line (Renton) and great finishing speed out wide.

The players

Best for Cranbrook were:

1 Hill, colossal in the scrums, and a strong runner; 4 Stenmark, a busy all-round game; 6 Summerhayes, who was everywhere, and gave Cranbrook most of its line-out ball; 8 Makas, always a danger with ball in hand; 10 Renton, who kicked 7 from 8 and gave attacking spark to the backs; while 14 Edelstein and 15 Wilson took their attacking chances well.

For Trinity:

1 McLennan was a strong presence; 2 Nguyen was busy and aggressive; 4 Ryan was an absolute standout, tireless and aggressive, the only Trinity player who understood how to run hard and low; 5 Rasch dominated the line-out; 6 Filipo was tough and busy; 8 Corias was busy in the loose and showed some deft touches in attack.

The result

You wouldn't bet on it, unless you live near Wahroonga, but mathematically, Cranbrook could yet fail to win the Plume Shield. If Knox wins twice, Cranbrook loses twice, and Knox builds a better for-and-against - well, it isn't impossible. The clash between Knox and Cranbrook next week will be a massive one.
 

abe01

Frank Nicholson (4)
Looks like cranbrook are safe for the title this year, can they go undefeated though? I think knox will ruin the perfect record next week
 

Snort

Vay Wilson (31)
Looks like cranbrook are safe for the title this year, can they go undefeated though? I think knox will ruin the perfect record next week

If forced to tip I would back Knox next week - which would keep the competition alive. Though I can't see St Aloysius beating Cranbrook in the last game.
 

Kilgore Trout

Herbert Moran (7)
I think it is going to be tough for Cranbrook because Knox have a point to prove. The Knox defence has improved and the back line combination looked very sharp V St Aloysius. On the negative side the Knox scrum is vulnerable at times and their line out can also be shaky. I think Knox will win a closely fought game but I have only seen Cranbrook play once.
 

RugbyFan14

Herbert Moran (7)
Great win by the Wavs..but again I question the development going on at Barker. In an earlier post I expressed disappointment about Barkers development and since then they have been beaten by St Aloysius and now a massive turnaround from 1st round to be beaten by Waverley and Barker were at home. Barker also have the NSW coach but I am hereto tell you he is sadly lacking in the ability to develop a strong program throughout the school. Each year since the previous director left the depth of Barker rugby has got weaker.


Saturday's result was a big turnaround from the 46-0 first round win over Waverley. Is that evidence of a poor rugby program? Credit where it is due, Waverley have improved a lot this season and beat Knox in round 6, conceding only 10 points after leaking 58 in round 2. Knox have scored 337 points this season, so the Waverley defence has improved a lot. Barker had several key players out. It's schoolboy rugby, not professionals. Form changes a lot from week to week. Trial HSC starts today so preparation and mind were probably elsewhere. In short a couple of losses by the 1st XV is not evidence of a poor rugby program.

Let's consider the evidence rather than personal axes.

Barker won the CAS premiership in 2010, 2012, 2013
2nds won last year (not sure about prior years) and this year are unbeaten through 8 games scoring 249-33
3rds are unbeaten this year against CAS opponents (6 games)

Depth looks pretty good to me on that evidence.....

Where the depth is poor is in the number of boys choosing to play rugby,

Last year Barker fielded only 3 teams in the u16s. This year only 4. In the 13s Barker has only 4 teams. Rugby is not compulsory. The head coach cannot make the best athletes play rugby. Many now choose soccer and AFL.

Seems to me the Barker program does a great job with the players they have. Also Barker do not have a scholarship program to bring in players like Connor Watson and James Widders-Leece. There is not a new gym, weight room and training facility like Knox. Rugby training is not a summer sport. Rugby competes with many other activities for the co-curricular dollar with a balance that may not suit some Rugby folks but reflects the broader constituency of a school in 2014..

Anyway, getting a bit off topic - in summary the evidence does not support the assertion that the Barker rugby program lacks depth in areas attributable to the head coach.
 

formerflanker

Peter Fenwicke (45)
On the negative side the Knox scrum is vulnerable at times and their line out can also be shaky.

Some schoolboy teams offset scrum weakness through the 1-meter-only pushing law. They keep the ball in the back of their retreating scrum until the opposition has to stop and then get a clean ball away. Not a great start to the new phase, but better than the alternative.
 

CatchnPass

Vay Wilson (31)
Seems to me the Barker program does a great job with the players they have. Also Barker do not have a scholarship program to bring in players like Connor Watson and James Widders-Leece. There is not a new gym, weight room and training facility like Knox. Rugby training is not a summer sport. Rugby competes with many other activities for the co-curricular dollar with a balance that may not suit some Rugby folks but reflects the broader constituency of a school in 2014..

If there is any evidence around the 'S' word and Knox, you might want to step over to the 'other thread' and elaborate so it can be assessed and responded to.
 
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