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CAS Rugby 2023

WLF3

Ward Prentice (10)
Very few suffer... the majority benefit.

The "Barker community" love the fact that Barker has a successful 1stXV now.
RorD,

As you know I often agree with you on certain topics, re inter association comps etc, but we do disagree on the imports strategy.
It's a short term fools strategy.
Having outlined, at length, from a Waves point of view having experienced all this before Barker, but not as epidemic, here's a last thought before we all need to drop this topic. Here is an analogy that speaks the truth....

The brilliant manager of the Beetles, George Martin, was once asked by his young teenage daughter.
"Daddy were the Beetles as good as the Bay City Rollers", he replied to placate the discussion.
'' Probably not darling".
All this was captured on the Beetles live at the Hollywood Bowl Record, and at the very bottom of the transcript he adds...
'' But one day she will find out!"
 

Halfbackenthusiast

Frank Nicholson (4)
My predicted barker side this year from current students
1. Cooper Stapleton (2nds/1sts)
2. Kade Stanton (2nds)
3. Nick Jill (16A/1sts)
4.Adam Van Wyk (1sts)
5. Nathaniel Thomas (16As/1sts)
6. Micho Lounser (2nds)
7. Matthew Hanley (1sts)
8. Leo Gibb (1sts/2nds
9.Kera Weaver (16As/1sts)
10. Josh Crowther (2nds)
11. Matthew sentonaris (16As)
12. Andrew Wheals (2nds/1sts)
13.Hamish Mcdonald (1sts)
14.Benjamin Blanchard (2nds)
15. Charlie Poynton (1sts)
What are your thoughts? I’d be interesting to see if barker trial poynton at the ten with lots of depth in the 15 position.
 

FootyCentral!

Bob McCowan (2)
Yep... that is the purpose of scholarships... not cheating and not the only school to do it.

Which players get free tuition at Barker? Because it's far fewer than people like you are making it out to be. Some of these "scholarships" merely got free boarding... Some half tuition and some only bursarys. Others had their schooling paid for by entirely separate entities... professional footy franchises...

Very few boys have reason to complain... Very few of the boys shafted to seconds are even close to 1stXV quality players...
To add to RoD, here is the reality of scholarships at every school.
Knox —> 2 swimming for every year. (12)
Trinity —> Numerous athletics and basketball scholarships (10+)
Cranbrook —> Cricket
Waverley —> Rugby (Still occurs)
As we can see from the first 3 schools those who import win. However as you many note they are for sports that people may not be as interested in…
 

RedOrDead

Sydney Middleton (9)
RorD,

As you know I often agree with you on certain topics, re inter association comps etc, but we do disagree on the imports strategy.
It's a short term fools strategy.
Having outlined, at length, from a Waves point of view having experienced all this before Barker, but not as epidemic, here's a last thought before we all need to drop this topic. Here is an analogy that speaks the truth....

The brilliant manager of the Beetles, George Martin, was once asked by his young teenage daughter.
"Daddy were the Beetles as good as the Bay City Rollers", he replied to placate the discussion.
'' Probably not darling".
All this was captured on the Beetles live at the Hollywood Bowl Record, and at the very bottom of the transcript he adds...
'' But one day she will find out!"

Look mate. I don't completely disagree with your opinion that it may end up being a negative for Barker as a school, in the sense that, I personally think it will be positive, but can't know for certain and can understand your logic. It may end up being detrimental. Only time will tell.

I am more just annoyed about the people vilifying the school for doing it and pushing their agenda through false narratives and cheap digs etc.

It may very well only further damage Barker's rugby culture, but the school has to try something to save it. If you're not actively trying to move forward, then you're moving backwards.
 

WLF3

Ward Prentice (10)
Look mate. I don't completely disagree with your opinion that it may end up being a negative for Barker as a school, in the sense that, I personally think it will be positive, but can't know for certain and can understand your logic. It may end up being detrimental. Only time will tell.

I am more just annoyed about the people vilifying the school for doing it and pushing their agenda through false narratives and cheap digs etc.

It may very well only further damage Barker's rugby culture, but the school has to try something to save it. If you're not actively trying to move forward, then you're moving backwards.
Relax RorD, I have previously stated that Barker is a TERRIFIC school, and that will not change.
IMO this is about BALANCE, all schools offer these opportunities, but when it becomes wholesale it tips the scale.

I would argue that some positions in rugby require more sensitivity and focus, eg competitive props, for safety reasons.
So I am not completely ANTI the concept but if a strategy becomes steroid driven then it will attract attention and become damaging internally and externally, and rightfully so IMO.
 

DaSchmooze

Jimmy Flynn (14)
Look mate. I don't completely disagree with your opinion that it may end up being a negative for Barker as a school, in the sense that, I personally think it will be positive, but can't know for certain and can understand your logic. It may end up being detrimental. Only time will tell.

I am more just annoyed about the people vilifying the school for doing it and pushing their agenda through false narratives and cheap digs etc.

It may very well only further damage Barker's rugby culture, but the school has to try something to save it. If you're not actively trying to move forward, then you're moving backwards.

I appreciate the thought that they have identified that there is a problem and are taking steps to address it. At the very least, it's better than doing nothing about it. I just don't think wholesale scholarships actually fixes the problem though. Some kids may be motivated by associating themselves with a winning brand and that's great but would fear what happens to those same kids when reality kicks in.

Perhaps a better plan would be to take the considerable expense of each scholarship and pour it in to quality coaching for every team regardless of their age or grade. It will take longer, but you would end up with a healthy and vibrant program were every kid feels like he's making a valued contribution and parents feel like the significant expense of sending their kids there is money well spent. AND - the results across the board would improve and it's this - rather than simply the results of the 1sts - that would be an indicator of a strong program.
 

lincoln

Bob Loudon (25)
To add to RoD, here is the reality of scholarships at every school.
Knox —> 2 swimming for every year. (12)
Trinity —> Numerous athletics and basketball scholarships (10+)
Cranbrook —> Cricket
Waverley —> Rugby (Still occurs)
As we can see from the first 3 schools those who import win. However as you many note they are for sports that people may not be as interested in…
Cranbrook now has 4 Olympians on their aquatic staff - might see some action there going forward :cool:. Anyway back to the rugby.
 

bring back rucking

Larry Dwyer (12)
I heard from a Barker coach - 2 trials against GPS teams, then games against all ISA teams, then one round CAS.
Sorry just to clarify - 2 against GPS, 5 against various ISA and then one comp round of 5 against the other CAS schools?. Given the GPS is doing the 10 game 2 round format I assume the 2 games against gps would need to happen prior to that (although GPS comp has traditionally started 1 week later and so potentially it is 2 games against gps, 4 against ISA and then the 5 game CAS comp).
 

Halfbackenthusiast

Frank Nicholson (4)
Sorry just to clarify - 2 against GPS, 5 against various ISA and then one comp round of 5 against the other CAS schools?. Given the GPS is doing the 10 game 2 round format I assume the 2 games against gps would need to happen prior to that (although GPS comp has traditionally started 1 week later and so potentially it is 2 games against gps, 4 against ISA and then the 5 game CAS comp).
They could potentially be unofficial trials which are played during the school holidays instead of Saturday, to accomodate for the new gps structure
 

RugbyBot

Frank Row (1)
They could potentially be unofficial trials which are played during the school holidays instead of Saturday, to accomodate for the new gps structure

I hear that Knox is playing trial rounds against Shore and Joeys in the first two weeks of term 2 next year, this would leave room for 3-4 ISA games and then into CAS. Knox 1sts and 2nds are touring NZ in the Easter holidays.
 

workingdasnipe

Frank Row (1)
To add to RoD, here is the reality of scholarships at every school.
Knox —> 2 swimming for every year. (12)
Trinity —> Numerous athletics and basketball scholarships (10+)
Cranbrook —> Cricket
Waverley —> Rugby (Still occurs)
As we can see from the first 3 schools those who import win. However as you many note they are for sports that people may not be as interested in…
Are you telling me there is only one school in CAS that does not do scholarships?
 

RedOrDead

Sydney Middleton (9)
Are you telling me there is only one school in CAS that does not do scholarships?

From the Aloys website: "St Aloysius' College does not offer scholarships. While we educate and nurture a number of academically and physically gifted young men, we have not attracted them via a scholarship or reduced fees."'

So I guess so.
 

Lachie Goon

Bob McCowan (2)
St Aloysius is an absolute talent factory right now. hearing whispers NRL clubs are scouting AT LEAST 3 current players, these being Parker (7), Wood (9), and Callanan (10). not only are their seasoned 1sts players getting recognized by national organizations but up-and-comers such as Knight (2nd Row) and Morson (Prop) are both primed and ready for their 1sts debut. although I hope they will not be contending with my beloved Cranbrookians, I fear their first CAS championship this century is within their grasp
 

RedOrDead

Sydney Middleton (9)
Hello Geenandgoldians,
Losing my posting virginity.
Curious what's the CAS policy on repeating yr12 to play 1st footy? A little birdy told me that some of the Barker players can't let go of there highschool glory days and are repeating there yr12. IMO it kills the culture.
Regards Theruckinator

A little birdy would also tell you that boy is underage... so I don't see how it could possibly be seen as unethical.

And boys have done this at Barker, and other schools in the past. Not only for rugby but for other sports too... both from the GPS and CAS... And it is accepted by both of these organisations...

The purpose of these pathways is to allow boys who are heavily focused on sporting careers to also try and succeed academically, due to heavy time commitments in their chosen sport impeding on their study time.

This isn't even new information or a secret. It is well-known at this point.
 

RUCKS R US

Frank Row (1)
Hello ReadOrDead
How did you find out that he is underage?? I tend to disagree that it is ethical to repeat Yr12. It is despondent to be spending another year at high school in hopes of another CAS premiership. These boys should move on from school boy footy, get a job go to uni or go play cults. I would also assume the school is putting tremendous pressure on these boys to repeat which is unethical for the school to put pressure on these young impressionable young-men.

Barker needs to rethink their values. At what length will they not go to win CAS.
Ruckinator out.
 
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