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Global Rapid Rugby

WorkingClassRugger

David Codey (61)
I'm happy to keep the belligerence for Rugby Australia (add to it obfuscation, procrastination and many other appropriate adjective that shows their treatment of the WF and any efforts towards maintaining a professional team in WA)

Let's agree on one thing WCR (and others if the cap fits) - I'll maintain my anger about the axing of the Western Force and you can maintain your sanctimony towards Western Force fans.

For those who think that some of us are too defensive about Andrew Forrest's efforts to build this new rugby competition in the region - what has Forrest promised that hasn't been delivered?

The actions of his rugby team has shown that if there had been a modicum of support from RA in 2017 there would have been a competition in 2018 rather than demonstration games.

Personally, I'd rather the Global Rapid Rugby thread was kept for comments about what's happening on that front.


It is not being sanctimonious to suggest that the best thing to do is move forward and help make GRR a success both on and off the field. If you were able to look at anything regarding this topic with a sense on objectivity you'd notice that my sentiment is actually very supportive of GRR.

I've never suggested anyone forget what happened but you cannot dwell on things forever as its not healthy.

Regarding Forrest. There's a difference between being supportive and then being unquestionably devoted. You're probably the biggest culprit. You're slavish deification of the man is off putting. You seem to think he's doing this for purely altruistic reasons. He's not. He's a wealthy businessman. He's looking to profit from it. There's a reason why this is being done via his Minderoo Foundation after all. And it's the same reason every billionaire does it. Tax.

And while I'm supportive of GRR and his ambition of developing the Asian market for the game I don't think its healthy to declare someone the messiah and then be completely unquestioning in your reverie.
 

Rebelsfan

Billy Sheehan (19)
It is not being sanctimonious to suggest that the best thing to do is move forward and help make GRR a success both on and off the field. If you were able to look at anything regarding this topic with a sense on objectivity you'd notice that my sentiment is actually very supportive of GRR.

I've never suggested anyone forget what happened but you cannot dwell on things forever as its not healthy.

Regarding Forrest. There's a difference between being supportive and then being unquestionably devoted. You're probably the biggest culprit. You're slavish deification of the man is off putting. You seem to think he's doing this for purely altruistic reasons. He's not. He's a wealthy businessman. He's looking to profit from it. There's a reason why this is being done via his Minderoo Foundation after all. And it's the same reason every billionaire does it. Tax.

And while I'm supportive of GRR and his ambition of developing the Asian market for the game I don't think its healthy to declare someone the messiah and then be completely unquestioning in your reverie.
WCR - I don't think that's what FF (Folau Fainga'a) has ever done. He respects the bloke, but messiah? Where do you get that from? You are going too far to the other side with that kind of comment. (IMO)
 

WorkingClassRugger

David Codey (61)
WCR - I don't think that's what FF (Folau Fainga'a) has ever done. He respects the bloke, but messiah? Where do you get that from? You are going too far to the other side with that kind of comment. (IMO)


Mate, just read through his posts here. You don't like the use of messiah. Okay, fine. Perhaps it is a little strong for some. But go over to TWF and read what's going on there. There are a group of them claiming that they are being actively suppressed across several forums GAGR included. Come on.

I want GRR to succeed. I tuned in to every WSR game. I've been a big fan of developing Asia for a long time and I am happy to see someone actually give it a go. The game in this country needs to be shaken out of its stupor. I want the Rugby community across the country to support this. But the us vs them mentality on display is becoming just so tiring.
 

Slim 293

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Suppressed?

These discussions became far more civil after the abusive trolls were banished.........

Unfortunately there’s no children’s forum on the GAGR.
 

kiap

Steve Williams (59)
Mate, just read through his posts here. You don't like the use of messiah. Okay, fine.
OK, so Twiggy is not the messiah. He's a very naughty boy and you'd like ForceFan to smack his bottom.

Dunno there's really a need, tho, when helpful folk are already here to point out Forrest's cheesy promos, funky laws, and assorted Rapid Rugby failures.

You're entitled to make your case bemoaning about him not bemoaning about Twiggy.

Banging on about it, though, can also become a bore. Do you know what a bore is?

But go over to TWF and read what's going on there.
Don't like what's happening at TWF? Then fight the argument there.

Let people make their closing arguments here instead of cross-pollinating from other forums, and then get back to the topic of this thread: Global Rapid Rugby - the comp, not posters.

But if you really want to go deep into this sidebar topic then create another thread: "Ungrateful Force Fans" or "The life of Twiggy".

I'll add three replies within the opening page for you. There's an offer you can't refuse!
 

kiap

Steve Williams (59)
Suppressed?

These discussions became far more civil after the abusive trolls were banished...

Unfortunately there’s no children’s forum on the GAGR.


Heheh

There are a group of them claiming that they are being actively suppressed across several forums GAGR included. Come on.
OK. Groups of people aren't being actively suppressed on Green and Gold Rugby.

As far as I know, at any rate.

However, I will say this — when the environment was a little more intense here last year, groups of Force posters including some fairly innocuous ones were binned in numbers without notice, pre- or post.

I think I know which former mod was most likely behind that, and the guy doesn't post here anymore; probably best for his own well-being and the place generally. But that sort of stuff has fed into the mix, further entrenching attitudes of fans whose team was unfairly axed.

Now, without doubt, some Force posters did deserve a binning as the Rebels v Force stuff and so on got a bit tasty.

That's not what I'm talking about. Things did go a bit rogue for a short time at GAGR.
 
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GingerBreadCrab

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Bring back the Sias Ebersohn and Alby Mathewson combo for 2019
 

kiap

Steve Williams (59)
To that - any announcement on the Luke McAllister / Malaysia connection?
Bring back the Sias Ebersohn and Alby Mathewson combo for 2019

These lads are largely on their last payday lap of their rugby journey, as you know. Good on 'em, they played 100 times better than I ever could.

But, as a segue from a Saffa name and Malaysia signings, I reckon there will be quite a few South Africans plying their trade from KL in Rapid Rugby

The combination of SARU slashing pro contracts at home and the Saffa backing of the Malaysian team makes it a no-brainer.

Up-and-coming guys from South Africa are available who are very solid players looking for contracts.
 

LearningCurve

Bill Watson (15)
The combination of SARU slashing pro contracts at home and the Saffa backing of the Malaysian team makes it a no-brainer.

Up-and-coming guys from South Africa are available who are very solid players looking for contracts.

What's the SA backing of the Malaysian team? I hadn't heard about that. Is there some sort of long term connection between Malaysian rugby and SA?
 

kiap

Steve Williams (59)
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GingerBreadCrab

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These lads are largely on their last payday lap of their rugby journey, as you know. Good on 'em, they played 100 times better than I ever could.

But, as a segue from a Saffa name and Malaysia signings, I reckon there will be quite a few South Africans plying their trade from KL in Rapid Rugby

The combination of SARU slashing pro contracts at home and the Saffa backing of the Malaysian team makes it a no-brainer.

Up-and-coming guys from South Africa are available who are very solid players looking for contracts.

I was only half-kidding, not even sure what Sias is up to lately. It does raise an interesting point though, those players making their last few rounds of pro contracting are exactly who I would have thought GRR are targeting, especially as a competition that needs established names to grow a profile. Wondering what the ratio of fresh blood/academy players/ex internationals will be?
 

WorkingClassRugger

David Codey (61)
Heheh


OK. Groups of people aren't being actively suppressed on Green and Gold Rugby.

As far as I know, at any rate.

However, I will say this — when the environment was a little more intense here last year, groups of Force posters including some fairly innocuous ones were binned in numbers without notice, pre- or post.

I think I know which former mod was most likely behind that, and the guy doesn't post here anymore; probably best for his own well-being and the place generally. But that sort of stuff has fed into the mix, further entrenching attitudes of fans whose team was unfairly axed.

Now, without doubt, some Force posters did deserve a binning as the Rebels v Force stuff and so on got a bit tasty.

That's not what I'm talking about. Things did go a bit rogue for a short time at GAGR.


They also mentioned the lack of coverage on The Roar. Suggesting that they were being actively moderated for being Force fans. It's a sports site not RA's own version of the Stasi. Keeping tabs and silencing critics. I even suggested a way of getting more coverage of the Force on the site. Use it's community journalism feature and write it themselves.

Again, I'm not against Forrest in setting up and launching this. I'll be tuning in. If the WS team ever eventuates I'll show up to watch in person. Whatever GRR evolves into I really cannot see it being anything other than a positive force for change either way.

But it doesn't mean I'm going to just take it as fact that everything done here is purely for the love of the Force or the game itself. Nor do I expect that to be the case.

Regarding the period after the incident. It did get intense and some people overreacted on several fronts. But since then most of the sentiment and conversations on here about moving forward with the Force and GRR have been largely supportive. But some still appear to be on a war footing. Like RA is just waiting to for the opportunity to finish the job. Frankly, RA's got bigger problems to worry about at the moment. Which offers GRR an opportunity but that's another discussion. Than killing off what's left of the game or more pointedly the Force.

Finally, come on mate. "Ungrateful Force Fans" and "The Life of Twiggy". I thought you were better than that. I mean the Monty Python references are fun but you know I don't think Force fans are ungrateful. It's just emotion can only get you so far in business. And a loss of objectivity tends to lead you down at times destructive paths.
 

kiap

Steve Williams (59)
Finally, come on mate. "Ungrateful Force Fans" and "The Life of Twiggy". I thought you were better than that. I mean the Monty Python references are fun but you know I don't think Force fans are ungrateful. It's just emotion can only get you so far in business. And a loss of objectivity tends to lead you down at times destructive paths.
Relax, it's a bit of fun. I ain't really up in your grill.

I do agree with some of what you're saying, but I also think your wading in with wellies on to bang it in – over multiple posts and websites – achieves little towards getting everyone on the same song sheet. It doesn't work that way towards "Kum ba yah".

A look back over the last ten pages of this GRR thread shows Force fans started generally positive; their team being still alive and finally with a comp to play in. Sniping then came in from others about the plastic law variations and cheesy promo video …

And that's fine, but posters like ForceFan and others are allowed to argue that … or brush it off and focus on other aspects of the comp. Not everyone has to agree, man.

It was tolerable bickering, then you got a bee in your bonnet. Wasn't even much spite afterwards, tbh. The issue hasn't so much been heated, rather it's become a crashing bore. And you're part of that. See this … ?

I even suggested a way of getting more coverage of the Force on the site. Use it's community journalism feature and write it themselves.
… you register on another forum five minutes ago and then proceed to dish out free advice – on all sorts.

I hope you don't mind taking a little friendly tip in turn because I do think you're a good bloke: Have your viewpoint and put it forward by all means, but don't bludgeon the discussion. At some point it starts subtracting from what you say.

Anyways, gotta go. Things to do in real life!
 

The Honey Badger

Jim Lenehan (48)
Back to the proposed rule changes;

Rolling substitutions.

Better manage player fatigue through the introduction of rolling substitutions

Is all I can find, does anyone have a good idea about how this will work?

I am thinking it could go the way of NFL. You run on a specialist kicker just for goal kicking. Then immediately leaves the field.

Could it be Rob Simmons comes on just for Line outs, and goes off to be replaced by Coleman in general play. Run a front row on just for scrums and replace them with backrowers in general play.

Have I got it completely wrong, or would that be possible under the proposal?
 

Wilson

David Codey (61)
Back to the proposed rule changes;

Rolling substitutions.

Better manage player fatigue through the introduction of rolling substitutions

Is all I can find, does anyone have a good idea about how this will work?

I am thinking it could go the way of NFL. You run on a specialist kicker just for goal kicking. Then immediately leaves the field.

Could it be Rob Simmons comes on just for Line outs, and goes off to be replaced by Coleman in general play. Run a front row on just for scrums and replace them with backrowers in general play.

Have I got it completely wrong, or would that be possible under the proposal?

Pretty sure current rules require a kicker to already be on the field when the try is scored/penalty is given, I doubt they'd change this. More likely the rolling subs will work like rugby league - teams have x number of changes per game, with players who've left the field allowed to return (within that interchange limit).
 

The Honey Badger

Jim Lenehan (48)
I thought I read somewhere that it would be in unlimited interchange.

If so, you could see strategic changes being made. Say at a defensive 5 metre scrum, best scrummages in the forwards and sub weak defenders in the backs.
 

RugbyReg

Rocky Elsom (76)
Staff member
I thought I read somewhere that it would be in unlimited interchange.

If so, you could see strategic changes being made. Say at a defensive 5 metre scrum, best scrummages in the forwards and sub weak defenders in the backs.


there'd have to be limitations otherwise they'll never get the game done in 90 minutes like they want to.
 
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