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NSW AAGPS 2018

Tip the 2018 AAGPS 1st XV Premiers


  • Total voters
    92

sidesteppa

Watty Friend (18)
Sidesteppa , that video quality is exceptional

My only complaint you never forewarn the punters which match you are going to

Could influence which game I will be leaning towards on 18th

Ok . controversy corner ..Both joeys wingers had great games . and the 14 was key in 2 tries, and until now, i hadn’t seen a blemish

However at 28:00 on the tape am I correct in saying the 14 has hit Tricks very high in a tackle

As they say . can’t run without a head!

And neither the referee or touchie has found an issue?!

And having seen joeys coaches rip into touchies ( in prior years)for not using their flags . and the well being of their players blah blah etc ...I just raise the point!

Anyways correct me if I am wrong?!

New
It does seem high, esp as Tricks ducks into it, but interestingly when you look at the nearby spectators [wearing scots caps etc], not one of them throws up arms or opens a mouth to protest, so maybe not visible from the touchline.

Sorry no forewarning, I often don't or can't decide until the last minute. Also, would hate to say something, then not show up at all due to some emergency etc.
 

SonnyDillWilliams

Nev Cottrell (35)
Fair enough sidesteppa

I think I will go to joeys v view ... as I think kings are busted

So unless someone tells me that Kings rehab has been winning, I’ll go see the joe boys work for a share of the title

Given I am on a rare roll with my tipping, I am tipping view will keep it tight until half time, however joeys will open it up in the 2nd half, and joeys will beat them by 20 + ... with the backs being too slick ... despite view having some handy backs too

Ps did joeys Nelson Roberts not play per the program? Suspended ?! Must have been pretty juicy .. an Errol Flynn moment?
 

Joker

Greg Davis (50)
Thanks Steppa. Outstanding work. Damn that motor bike was loud!

What I found of interest was the rarely used rule of "obstruction" at the line out against the attacking team.

Watch at 25.12m Scots throw into the line-out. Joeys do not engage in a maul but stand off. Scots have formed a driving maul but there is no one defending. Hence the ball is being held at the back with blokes in front who are stopping the defenders from tackling the ball carrier. Ref then calls obstruction and awards a scrum to Joeys.

It is a tactic that has been used this year in club land. In the past the defending team was awarded a full arm penalty for this "infraction" by the attacking team, when it is really a cynical attempt to use the rules to your advantage. Now it has become a short arm or scrum. Unsure if Joeys called this (looked like they may have tried it earlier) but this time it worked. Got the ball, scored the try.

Thoughts welcome
 

brumbiesrugby

Trevor Allan (34)
Fair enough sidesteppa

I think I will go to joeys v view . as I think kings are busted

So unless someone tells me that Kings rehab has been winning, I’ll go see the joe boys work for a share of the title

Given I am on a rare roll with my tipping, I am tipping view will keep it tight until half time, however joeys will open it up in the 2nd half, and joeys will beat them by 20 + . with the backs being too slick . despite view having some handy backs too

Ps did joeys Nelson Roberts not play per the program? Suspended ?! Must have been pretty juicy .. an Errol Flynn moment?
My reply on Saturday underneath the program for Joeys indicated that Joeys was not “as per program” with neither Howse nor Roberts playing. Roberts was suspended I believe, cited (?) so the story goes by Scots, on video evidence of the Kings game. Quite why another school that is not a participant in the game would be citing people beats me. Equally unclear why they would not have cited Kings 5 for the piledriver cleanout on Joeys 7 in the same match. The more video evidence that exists of these matches the more you are going to get issues like this blowing up. We are on a slippery slope here people.....
 

cyclopath

George Smith (75)
Staff member
My reply on Saturday underneath the program for Joeys indicated that Joeys was not “as per program” with neither Howse nor Roberts playing. Roberts was suspended I believe, cited (?) so the story goes by Scots, on video evidence of the Kings game. Quite why another school that is not a participant in the game would be citing people beats me. Equally unclear why they would not have cited Kings 5 for the piledriver cleanout on Joeys 7 in the same match. The more video evidence that exists of these matches the more you are going to get issues like this blowing up. We are on a slippery slope here people...

It's truly bizarre if the citing process allows this procedure to be followed. I can't think of another level in the game where this would happen? Does anyone actually know if there is a set of criteria within the AAGPS?
 

SonnyDillWilliams

Nev Cottrell (35)
Win at all cost.

If this is all true ... Nelson Roberts being rubbed out, and not by Kings ... it does seem like Karma has been had.

Although I do feel for young Nelson ... he has always been this age group (of Joeys) great break-away.... even if he hasn't always been in the 1st XV

In any event, I think pretty much all schools are taking "1st XV" far too seriously ... it is so "tribal" .... it's like everyone is so blinded by trying to win ... from coaches, to physios, to teachers, to headmasters

first and foremost this is meant to be fun, yes it's a bit brutal, but to me school boy rugby should be about educating kids, keeping them as safe as humanly possible (not always easy in a brutish game)

teaching them about being part of a team, working towards a common goal, respecting the opposition, respecting the match officials blah, blah

anyway all the headmasters need to remind themselves that a blood minded pursuit of victory does no one any favours

it is frankly not that important ... and it can see children shown a pretty shabby behaviour, when an opportunity is lost to instil valuable life lessons

OK off my soap box now
 

Quick Hands

David Wilson (68)
It's truly bizarre if the citing process allows this procedure to be followed. I can't think of another level in the game where this would happen? Does anyone actually know if there is a set of criteria within the AAGPS?

My understanding of the AAGPS "process" is that players are suspended by their own school after a send-off. i.e. the player appears before his own Headmaster or delegate and that's where the case is decided. Assume that citing would be the same?

I'm aware of events in the past where schools have suspended their own players for foul play incidents which weren't detected by the referee (and before the advent of video). I'd have thought that a coach or headmaster suspending a player for a blatant act of foul play that was undetected by officials would set a great example to the boy concerned and the rest of the school about consequences for actions. But then again I'm a little old fashioned.

To my knowledge there isn't a GPS citing panel or a GPS judiciary.
 

cyclopath

George Smith (75)
Staff member
My understanding of the AAGPS "process" is that players are suspended by their own school after a send-off. i.e. the player appears before his own Headmaster or delegate and that's where the case is decided. Assume that citing would be the same?

I'm aware of events in the past where schools have suspended their own players for foul play incidents which weren't detected by the referee (and before the advent of video). I'd have thought that a coach or headmaster suspending a player for a blatant act of foul play that was undetected by officials would set a great example to the boy concerned and the rest of the school about consequences for actions. But then again I'm a little old fashioned.

To my knowledge there isn't a GPS citing panel or a GPS judiciary.

That was how it worked way back ! ;)
So, was the player suspended based on another school bringing it to someone's attention, or is this just hearsay, I wonder? If it's the latter, and no-one has any real basis for alleging it other than stirring the pot, maybe they shouldn't.
 

Hasbeen

Bob Loudon (25)
If this is all true . Nelson Roberts being rubbed out, and not by Kings . it does seem like Karma has been had.

Although I do feel for young Nelson . he has always been this age group (of Joeys) great break-away.. even if he hasn't always been in the 1st XV

In any event, I think pretty much all schools are taking "1st XV" far too seriously . it is so "tribal" .. it's like everyone is so blinded by trying to win . from coaches, to physios, to teachers, to headmasters

first and foremost this is meant to be fun, yes it's a bit brutal, but to me school boy rugby should be about educating kids, keeping them as safe as humanly possible (not always easy in a brutish game)

teaching them about being part of a team, working towards a common goal, respecting the opposition, respecting the match officials blah, blah

anyway all the headmasters need to remind themselves that a blood minded pursuit of victory does no one any favours

it is frankly not that important . and it can see children shown a pretty shabby behaviour, when an opportunity is lost to instil valuable life lessons

OK off my soap box now

No it is not soap box SDW. Well said.
 

Loose Carry

Peter Burge (5)
That was how it worked way back !
So, was the player suspended based on another school bringing it to someone's attention, or is this just hearsay, I wonder? If it's the latter, and no-one has any real basis for alleging it other than stirring the pot, maybe they shouldn't.

Some clarity for everyone ...

If a player in GPS is red-carded then a judiciary meeting is held between a selection of Sportsmasters (usually 3 or 4). The player does not appear but may put forward a statement and defence. Almost always the player receives at least one week directed by the judiciary.

There is no citing process in the GPS after a game.

Sources suggest ... In the Nelson Roberts case, Scots coaches saw an incident in the Kings v Joeys match when reviewing it and sent video to GPS convenor (also from Scots). As there is no citing process the video was sent to Joeys. The decision to sit Nelson Roberts out was made by Joeys. Kings made no citing and Joeys chose not to raise any other incidents from the game and the fights that Scots were involved in against Shore.

While winning may seem the sole focus - it is good to see at least one school putting principles first.
 

The Honey Badger

Jim Lenehan (48)
No it is not soap box SDW. Well said.
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cyclopath

George Smith (75)
Staff member
Some clarity for everyone .

If a player in GPS is red-carded then a judiciary meeting is held between a selection of Sportsmasters (usually 3 or 4). The player does not appear but may put forward a statement and defence. Almost always the player receives at least one week directed by the judiciary.

There is no citing process in the GPS after a game.

Sources suggest . In the Nelson Roberts case, Scots coaches saw an incident in the Kings v Joeys match when reviewing it and sent video to GPS convenor (also from Scots). As there is no citing process the video was sent to Joeys. The decision to sit Nelson Roberts out was made by Joeys. Kings made no citing and Joeys chose not to raise any other incidents from the game and the fights that Scots were involved in against Shore.

While winning may seem the sole focus - it is good to see at least one school putting principles first.
This is my concern. It's easy to write "sources suggest" knowing there is absolutely no requirement to back that up. It's just an allegation. While of course, it may well be true, it equally may not. I would hope such a process would not happen at Schoolboy level, but I accept I am probably naive in that. I think, if these things cannot be verified, they're best not presented as facts.
 

The Honey Badger

Jim Lenehan (48)
This is my concern. It's easy to write "sources suggest" knowing there is absolutely no requirement to back that up. It's just an allegation. While of course, it may well be true, it equally may not. I would hope such a process would not happen at Schoolboy level, but I accept I am probably naive in that. I think, if these things cannot be verified, they're best not presented as facts.
If we can't talk about rumour and innuendo then the site is finished.

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formerflanker

Ken Catchpole (46)
Sources suggest . In the Nelson Roberts case, Scots coaches saw an incident in the Kings v Joeys match when reviewing it and sent video to GPS convenor (also from Scots). As there is no citing process the video was sent to Joeys. The decision to sit Nelson Roberts out was made by Joeys. Kings made no citing and Joeys chose not to raise any other incidents from the game and the fights that Scots were involved in against Shore.

My sources, probably different to yours, say exactly the same thing.
 
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