NSW CCC Rugby 2012

[Rugby Mum]

I reckon the selectors must have been cringing when the CCC side served it up to the GPS at the school titles​

Hey Whatever, There are 6 CCC kids in either Country or Sydney so these kids do get through as they prove their worth.

 

[Rugby Mum]

If i'm not mistaken CCC got it usual quota of players into Schools - the big fat donut.

A few were named in country, but that side was selected before the school trials.

I can even accept players being selected who didn't play the state titles due to being in the opens trials, but a 15 year old being selected from a zone side - shows what a mockery the selection process is.

Oh well as they say, history will continue to repeat itself if you do not learn from your past mistakes.

So I would like to know why schools is perceived as the "Best" pathway????

 

[whatever]

Hey Whatever, There are 6 CCC kids in either Country or Sydney so these kids do get through as they prove their worth.

Hi Mum,

Can you provide the names (positions)?

 

[Rugby Mum]

1
7.
1. Tangitau, 2
2. Milad Ferris 12
3. Bonin, 4
4. Styles, 10
5. Sedgman, 1
6. Hammond 9
7.

 

[whatever]

1
7.
1. Tangitau, 2
2. Milad Ferris 12
3. Bonin, 4
4. Styles, 10
5. Sedgman, 1
6. Hammond 9
7.

I only can see 5 - 4 country, 1 sydney. Milad is not listed, only supposedly on a replacement list as indicated by a blogger.

The 4 country boys were already selected before the NSW school trials.

 

[whatever]

Hey Whatever, There are 6 CCC kids in either Country or Sydney so these kids do get through as they prove their worth.

Are you saying no other CCC boy proved their worth at the school championships but 12 GPS boys did to be selected in NSW Schools?

I have no connection with the three boys I put forward as possible selections on ability, it was my judgment from watching the trials/games. Now, one was already picked in country - no problem. The other two boys were dual coders but stood put like beacons on a dark night (even a blind person would have seen that), now they probably could not give a rats regarding their non-selection as both have played Harold Matthews this year and likely will play SG ball either next or the following year and continue on with junior rep career in league - I just feel sorry for australian rugby union as another two possible classy union players have been left to the power of rugby league.

It is this shortsightness that has the Wallabies and the game struggling now and in the future.

PS: I have two boys who were dual coders and had the same treatment from Schools and now are establishing successful careers in league. I was hoping things might had changed in the last few years.

 

[Newbie]

... ... ... ... ... ... It is this shortsightness that has the Wallabies and the game struggling now and in the future.

PS: I have two boys who were dual coders and had the same treatment from Schools and now are establishing successful careers in league. I was hoping things might had changed in the last few years.

Mum,

I argued the very same points last year in the '2011 U/16' thread and also in the 'League v Rugby' thread! I agree with you totally!

For me there was some hope offered through the 'Garling Report', however for the most part the recommendations were never implemented or pursued!

 

[Rugby Mum]

I only can see 5 - 4 country, 1 sydney. Milad is not listed, only supposedly on a replacement list as indicated by a blogger.

The 4 country boys were already selected before the NSW school trials.

Milad is in the city team - confirmed with the kids today

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Milad is in the city team - confirmed with the kids today

Still no "official" posting of teams on the Schools or Sydney Juniors web pages. Reliant on this blog and what was in the paper.

When do the announce the next round of the JGS?

Some of the "fringe" CCC boys would benefit from some extra rugby tuition that JGS provides.

Having turned up to the Schools Tournament at Knox COLLEGE Grammar, these boys should no longer be "strangers" to the JGS selectors.

 

[Rugby Mum]

Still no "official" posting of teams on the Schools or Sydney Juniors web pages. Reliant on this blog and what was in the paper.

When do the announce the next round of the JGS?

Some of the "fringe" CCC boys would benefit from some extra rugby tuition that JGS provides.

Having turned up to the Schools Tournament at Knox COLLEGE Grammar, these boys should no longer be "strangers" to the JGS selectors.

Actually H J I know of 4 of the CCC boys are already involved in the JGS program through the various academies, CCAS, IAS, NIAC, Hunter Academy, and Western Region academy. These kids are already known to the ARU staff.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Are those 4 in the JGS among the "lucky" CCCers that have been selected through SJRU or NSW Country or additional to those selected?

As others have opined elsewhere on these boards, the conversion of a dueller is a Pantene solution, particularly an aspiring forward. Others here seem to think it will happen overnight. I do not think so.

 

[Rugby Mum]

Are you saying no other CCC boy proved their worth at the school championships but 12 GPS boys did to be selected in NSW Schools?

I have no connection with the three boys I put forward as possible selections on ability, it was my judgment from watching the trials/games. Now, one was already picked in country - no problem. The other two boys were dual coders but stood put like beacons on a dark night (even a blind person would have seen that), now they probably could not give a rats regarding their non-selection as both have played Harold Matthews this year and likely will play SG ball either next or the following year and continue on with junior rep career in league - I just feel sorry for australian rugby union as another two possible classy union players have been left to the power of rugby league.

It is this shortsightness that has the Wallabies and the game struggling now and in the future.

PS: I have two boys who were dual coders and had the same treatment from Schools and now are establishing successful careers in league. I was hoping things might had changed in the last few years.

No I wasn't saying there were others not up to it, but seriously do you believe these trials were to truly select the team or to scan for some more cream of the crop for a previously selected team? These 15 year olds must be absolutely OUTSTANDING as the quality to choose from these games was pretty damn good.
Hence why Sydney has a squad of 25 hopefully to accommodate the 2 kids that missed the chance as a result of the younger kids selected. Not one to put down kids and their rugby - and felt there were many kids not only in NSWCCC but one from Country Schools (NSW Under 15;s), as well as others in other associations that missed out. And then when they get to opens they wonder why they have trouble filling numbers. Nothing will change until all the associations band together and tell the schools to jam it - then it will be a GPS side not NSW Schools. But I can't see that happening.

 

[Rugby Mum]

Are those 4 in the JGS among the "lucky" CCCers that have been selected through SJRU or NSW Country or additional to those selected?

As others have opined elsewhere on these boards, the conversion of a dueller is a Pantene solution, particularly an aspiring forward. Others here seem to think it will happen overnight. I do not think so.

No HJ These kids are not Dualies - played union since Year 6 with each other in Polding Teams, and then country Teams. A couple are being closely monitored by the ARU. I don't think they are missing out at all, as their pathway has provided fun, trips away, great mates, and hard core rugby in New Zealand, Victoria and this week on the Gold Coast.

http://www.world-sport.com.au/files/2012 Rugby Draw_U16:15.pdf

 

[whatever]

Are those 4 in the JGS among the "lucky" CCCers that have been selected through SJRU or NSW Country or additional to those selected?

As others have opined elsewhere on these boards, the conversion of a dueller is a Pantene solution, particularly an aspiring forward. Others here seem to think it will happen overnight. I do not think so.

I can advise there are more then four from the U16s CCC squad that are/where in JGS (and some are dual coders).

We (Australian Rugby) needs some solution. I only have advocated dual code backs & maybe a backrower to convert to a loose forward. I have too much respect for the tight 5 to suggest an instant conversion.

I don't like to compare players, especially out of the same squad but there was daylight between Topiese, Hogan and Milad, Hammond.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Probably timely to repost this from last year to add to the debate:

Late Developing Rugby Players - Don't give up on any kid playing Rugby.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10746177
Thought provoking article.
This bit caught my eye, and supports much of the Jarse philosophy

This certainty about how to play the game underpins the development structures of Canterbury rugby. It may be homogeneous, with training systems drip-fed down from Super rugby to schoolboy level, but it's also cutting edge. When everyone is on the same page it makes it easier for people to commit. And rugby "down here" is all about commitment.

"We've got 53 former students playing professional rugby and half of them started in our under-14 'b's or below," says Dods.
"Colin Slade started in our under-14 'c' team. Owen Franks started under-14 'b's. At that age they just weren't X-factor players, but the system here allows boys to develop at different rates, and then make the 1st XV when they're ready. We really put a lot of emphasis on our 'c' and 'd' teams because we can't afford to miss the gems that come out of them."

The other bit about the article that caught my eye is how many top shelf #10's have come out of Christchurch Boys High School.

In recent years the CBHS No10 jersey has been worn by Andrew Mehrtens, Aaron Mauger, Daniel Carter and Stephen Brett, all sophisticated, goal-kicking playmakers with time on the ball.

Last year's NZ under-20s captain, Tyler Bleyendaal, and Fletcher Smith, the 16-year-old CBHS incumbent, look set to continue the school's output of high-class first fives ....

Probs not the right thread to post this article but couldn't seem to find another "good fit".

 

[Hammo]

Milad is in the city team - confirmed with the kids today

 

[Hammo]

I only can see 5 - 4 country, 1 sydney. Milad is not listed, only supposedly on a replacement list as indicated by a blogger.

The 4 country boys were already selected before the NSW school trials.

 

[Hammo]

I believe the other country kid selected for 16's CCC was a 14yr 6'3 boy called Tristan Green. As a representative union player for many years myself this boy made a clear impression on me. I also watched him in the u/15's CCC league. Hope we get him next year for union.

 

[Hammo]

As I just stated as an Independant with several years at grade level myself and scouting talent over 10 yrs I believe the youngest kid on the team Tristan? (It took a little investigative research ) & as I also noticed him in the league selections is with further technical development the one I am keen to earmark as a player to watch. Does anyone know if this kid will be returning for selections next year? I did hear possibly league?

 

[Hammo]

Ok Mum, so which one is your son? Tyler or Kieron