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NSW Schools - Trial Games and Selections 2016

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Azzuri

Trevor Allan (34)
IMO it comes down to committment to the game and player safety. How committed to Rugby is someone who is using Rugby as their backup option or vice versa? There is always the "one true love".

Most dual coders in the GPS have to make that difficult decision at U16 level as Mungo Ball administrators don't want their Harold Matts players playing Rugby and School Rugby commitments on the weekend don't allow for a second game on a Saturday.

If a kid is good enough to be on the radar of both codes clipboards at 16 you can bet money they'll continue to be watched. Making a choice to play either school rugby or loig for two years exclusively is hardly asking too much and is also sensible from a safety perspective.

The chances of injuring "Johnny Superstar" must increase exponentially after a week of playing Australian school boy rugby trials and then packing the plastic studs and heading off to play another week of Aussie Schools Mungo Ball "crash and bash"

Doesn't sound like a smart way to manage the career of the next Israel Folau. How many options will such players have to weight up if they are sitting on the sideline nursing an injury for months because they "wanted to have it all". Such an outcome couldn't possibly do Rugby or Mungo any favours either.
 
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sidelineview

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Not all schools restrict boys from playing Harold Mats, but do expect a reasonable level of priority shown towards school rugby.

The threat of injury is real and is a worry; coaches would be anxious about getting their players back fit and ready to resume the school rugby comp. And the risk of injury does increase by playing in both Trials; that's true. But fear of being injured is never a good reason not to play in any games, including holiday trial matches (unless a player is already nursing an injury).

Unless the school has a strict policy, it is up to the players and parents. I can understand players wanting to be on the big stage for both Australian Schoolboys Rugby and Rugby League Trials. It's an opportunity to be noticed and possibly attract contract offers from Clubs.

There is always the ''one true love'' for some, or many, but not for all. It depends in which area the school is situated. You are obviously a passionate ''rah rah'' man Azzuri.
Some players are raised playing Rugby League from a young age but then play Rugby when they go to High School and continue to play both. Many players end up loving both Rugby and Rugby League but it's reasonable they could be guided by their opportunities in either code in making their eventual choice between the two.

It's reasonable to assume that if a player was booked into playing both Australian Schoolboy Trials and was chosen in one of the Rugby teams, he would drop out of the Rugby League Trials.
These type of players would be in the very small minority, but I wouldn't blame any player or parent for having an each way bet in maximising their opportunities.
 

CatchnPass

Vay Wilson (31)
@Sideline, that's a fair call, but the boys in Q have not chosen to pursue both. Rather, they went into the rugby trials knowing that they had already been selected for Rugby League and then promptly dropped out of union once their selection for NSW was announced. It's hard to avoid the conclusion that they simply wanted the kudos of selection, hence depriving others of this, without the effort of turning up at Riverview next week and then jetting off to Qld for the Rugby League. Others, Jackson Mohi for example, appear to be aiming to do both and good luck to them.
 

smithandwesson

Peter Burge (5)
@Sideline, that's a fair call, but the boys in Q have not chosen to pursue both. Rather, they went into the rugby trials knowing that they had already been selected for Rugby League and then promptly dropped out of union once their selection for NSW was announced. It's hard to avoid the conclusion that they simply wanted the kudos of selection, hence depriving others of this, without the effort of turning up at Riverview next week and then jetting off to Qld for the Rugby League. Others, Jackson Mohi for example, appear to be aiming to do both and good luck to them.

Agree, if you are selected for Rugby League and you are of some speed & agility, it is natural to want to show your attributes on all possible stages and arenas. However if you find you are only selected for a lower ranked RU rep team then the appeal of getting little ball & spending all your time tackling big boofers is much less, and there is an option to drop out. Someone earlier called it a "dummy spit", whatever, but I can quite understand it, you have to look after no.1 IMHO, and injuries can be career ending.
 
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sidelineview

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@Sideline, that's a fair call, but the boys in Q have not chosen to pursue both. Rather, they went into the rugby trials knowing that they had already been selected for Rugby League and then promptly dropped out of union once their selection for NSW was announced. It's hard to avoid the conclusion that they simply wanted the kudos of selection, hence depriving others of this, without the effort of turning up at Riverview next week and then jetting off to Qld for the Rugby League. Others, Jackson Mohi for example, appear to be aiming to do both and good luck to them.


I agree with you on that. It's hard to understand why any NSW players who committed to both would drop out of the Rugby Trials. It doesn't make much sense except that they wanted to gain kudos as you mentioned. Or maybe a player was carrying an injury and needed the extra week to recover.

Only the players themselves or their parents could explain.

I would have thought any player selected in any of the three NSW teams would have ample opportunity to impress selectors and if they missed out, they could fly up to Qld for the other half of their each way bet.

As to the reasons for entering in both, I think it's perfectly understandable.
 

CatchnPass

Vay Wilson (31)
Agree, if you are selected for Rugby League and you are of some speed & agility, it is natural to want to show your attributes on all possible stages and arenas. However if you find you are only selected for a lower ranked RU rep team then the appeal of getting little ball & spending all your time tackling big boofers is much less, and there is an option to drop out. Someone earlier called it a "dummy spit", whatever, but I can quite understand it, you have to look after no.1 IMHO, and injuries can be career ending.
I think at least one of the lads was selected in NSW I, so i dont think the lower rank theory applies
 

couldabeen

Alfred Walker (16)
I thought that any player offering for selection had to declare themselves available for all games and training. True? If so, get serious.
 

Short Ball

Allen Oxlade (6)
I thought that any player offering for selection had to declare themselves available for all games and training. True? If so, get serious.

That's a cop-out though. What are you going to do as a coach or selector when a player wants out? You have to let him go, because you can't force them to stay and you don't want someone who doesn't want to be there in the team.
 

couldabeen

Alfred Walker (16)
That's a cop-out though. What are you going to do as a coach or selector when a player wants out? You have to let him go, because you can't force them to stay and you don't want someone who doesn't want to be there in the team.
I think the point is that the player indicates BEFORE they offer for selection that they are available for all games and commitments. I agree therefore that if they know they will not be playing, you don't want them. They are wasting the time of selectors, the coaches of their association teams and most importantly, excluding some other kid from the opportunity of playing in the School trials.
 

Short Ball

Allen Oxlade (6)
I think the point is that the player indicates BEFORE they offer for selection that they are available for all games and commitments. I agree therefore that if they know they will not be playing, you don't want them. They are wasting the time of selectors, the coaches of their association teams and most importantly, excluding some other kid from the opportunity of playing in the School trials.
I fully agree with you, but the teams can't stop then from leaving even if they commit to playing unfortunatley.


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Ruck & Maul 101

Allen Oxlade (6)
https://www.aisnsw.edu.au/Services/...?sportid=c73c97b8-4c46-e111-844d-005056b8125b
CIS Secondary 18 & Under Rugby League Team 2016

Manager
Corey Galea Moriah College
CIS Players
Tom Angel Wollondilly Anglican College
Jack Conlan Bishop Druitt College
George Francis St Augustine's College
Jack Ongosia St Augustine's College
John Sione Mau Hopoate St Augustine's College
Ned Dawson The Scots School Bathurst
Jackson Mohi Waverley College
Harrison Leornard Oakhill College
Sam Dolores Oakhill College
Ryan Papenhuyzen Oakhill College
Babucarr McKern Chevalier College
Nick Eccleston Chevalier College
Matheson Johns Shire Christian School
Matthew Hammond Oakhill College
Harrison McKeon St George Christian School
Adam Doueihi St Patrick's College Strathfield
Thomas Fuller Waverley College
Triston Reilly St Joseph's College
Hosea Leuea Macarthur Adventist College
Giordan Patea Macarthur Adventist College
 

rugboy

Johnnie Wallace (23)
You did SS and its interesting those boys decided to seek selection for Schools rugby and then announce that they will not be competing in favour of fivekick. Obviously they knew before being selected for NSW rugby, so begs the Q - why not withdraw before the teams are announced, save the selectors a few headaches and allow some other boys the honour of being named directly in the teams instead of drafted in from Shadows? I s'pose in the Youtube era its good for a player's "brand" to be named in both.

Okay, it seems some are putting the cart before the horse. How a "whisper" that both five-eighths are out combined with Bailey Kuenzle being called in all of a sudden becomes gospel and that some are accusing the boys of padding their cv's or denying others of an opportunity to be named is a tad unfair and uncalled for.
For the record Adam Douehi, Jack Ongosia and Jackson Mohi are all playing for NSW 1s and as many have done before them, will then fly to Brisbane to contest the league Schoolboys. All boys deservedly made both teams and will compete for Australian honours in both codes.

As a side note this year seems the first year I can recall that the Australian rugby and league commitments do not clash so all those mentioned have the realistic chance to be dual code Australian Schoolboys. I wish them all the best and hope each has a fantastic and enjoyable fortnight.
 

CatchnPass

Vay Wilson (31)
@rugboy, if the original premise is incorrect and all of these boys are playing both, then mea culpa and full marks to them for being prepared to do the hard work involved in pursuing the dual paths.
 

tragickingdom

Herbert Moran (7)
21 NSW players made either Australian or Barbarians squad! Some notable omissions from the squads including Fenn, Ongosia and Mohi among others. Great to see CCC get another Australian schoolboy with Haangana making the team.
 
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sidelineview

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21 NSW players made either Australian or Barbarians squad! Some notable omissions from the squads including Fenn, Ongosia and Mohi among others. Great to see CCC get another Australian schoolboy with Haangana making the team.


I believe William Harrison who made the Babas team is CCC
 

Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
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I think Randwick Colts will take some credit for the two CCC players, as both are in their program, with Harrison being a local Eastern Beaches Junior.
 

tragickingdom

Herbert Moran (7)
I think Randwick Colts will take some credit for the two CCC players, as both are in their program, with Harrison being a local Eastern Beaches Junior.


of course, that's awesome for Randwick. It's still nice to see boys from school associations other than CAS, GPS, CHS and ISA make the big dance. Still waiting for an AICES boy to even make NSW schoolboys (hopefully it will happen soon). Boys especially from rural areas in the smaller divisions (CCC and AICES and even CHS) have their backs against the wall for higher rep honours as shown by Haangana making Aussie schoolboys but not even making NSW squads.
 
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