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RC - Wallabies vs Springboks, Gold Coast Sunday 12 September 8:05 PM

Adam84

Steve Williams (59)
This is their issue. They should have applied previously.

Both have moved overseas in recent years which breaks their residency requirements.

Genia's one seems strange. I would have thought he'd have had to become a citizen as I didn't think Papua New Guineans have the same rights in Australia as New Zealanders.

Well this comes back to their manager and the team they have advising them at the point in time they made these decisions then. It's not as though they've been denied the right to apply for a visa or wouldn't have qualified, they just didn't do it. I think the emphasis should be put back onto those individuals are informing these guys to make these decisions when they do.
 

eastman

Bill McLean (32)
The bloke has played 71 times for his country requiring strict dedication and freakish levels of obsession & effort I'm not capable of and I doubt 99% of us on here are too. If we're getting into sports people aren't heroes then Australia probably needs to re-structure its entire society.
He gets remunerated accordingly.
 

Rugbynutter39

Michael Lynagh (62)
Not much has been made of the try that Hooper fluffed.
I thought Hodge fluffed it positionally - commentators stated as much - but then again do you blame the golden child (hooper) or the fringe player (hodge). Ie I am sure unintended bias can creep into this
I rate Quade and I think his situation for citizenship is pretty ridiculous given how long he has lived here.

But to focus purely on the 'test cap' part of the argument I actually disagree, in the era of professionalism I don't think test caps should carry any greater weight than other qualifying criteria. At the end of the day they are an employee of a company which represents Australia , but if the rules are going to be amended or adjusted purely on that then the same should to be applied to all employees of sovereign Australian companies.

More broadly in the Cooper and Genia scenario it amazes me they dont qualify based on residency alone, or at least haven't previously qualified given the amount of time they've lived here. Maybe it has just been a case of timing of when they applied for the citizenship which has brought them unstuck a bit. Had they applied back in 2011 when they'd spent the previous 'x' years in Australia it wouldn't have been an issue.
it just seems strange that a player who represents australia for 70 + tests but can’t get Citizenship. It is actually an embarrassment.
 

Adam84

Steve Williams (59)
I thought Hodge fluffed it positionally - commentators state

it just seems strange that a player who represents australia for 70 + tests but can’t get Citizenship. It is actually an embarrassment.

It's not such an embarrassment when realise he had years where he was qualified and could apply for it but simply didn't.
The only reason he is having trouble now is because he has been overseas the last few season.
 

Rugbynutter39

Michael Lynagh (62)
It's not really when you look at it and realise he had years where he was qualified and could apply for it but simply didn't.
The only reason he is having trouble now is because he has been overseas the last few season.
Yeh maybe you are right as does send an unsavoury precedent otherwise...fair point...
 

Slim 293

Nathan Sharpe (72)
Personally, I think that granting citizenships, or even threatening to take them away is a fantastic motivation for players to meet their KPI’s………
 

swingpass

Greg Davis (50)
Personally, I think that granting citizenships, or even threatening to take them away is a fantastic motivation for players to meet their KPI’s………
I’ve always favoured a good thrashing with birch or the cat meself, focuses the mind wonderfully
 
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Adam84

Steve Williams (59)
Seeing as we've been discussing it here:


We have a new Quade Law.

I wish the example of this law was for someone who contributed to medicine or science in an exemplary way, and not simply rugby...

I understand the audience of this thread, but i hate how athletes are placed on the pedestal and we don't acknowledge those who quietly contribute so much more to society.
 

Dctarget

Michael Lynagh (62)
I wish the example of this law was for someone who contributed to medicine or science in an exemplary way, and not simply rugby.

I understand the audience of this thread, but i hate how athletes are placed on the pedestal and we don't acknowledge those who quietly contribute so much more to society.
Not really an apt comparison is it? Doctors don't save lives because they're representing Australia. They don't slip on the green & gold every time they research some cancer.

We can acknowledge the absurdity of this situation and recognise others at the same time, they're not exclusive.
 
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