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Greg Davis (50)
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...p/news-story/babf4c80b6179575393961eac0b2b0a3

How Melbourne Rebels built international roster
Iain Payten, The Daily Telegraph
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WALLABY giant Adam Coleman has become the latest star to join the “Galacticos” at the Rebels next year but Melbourne boss Baden Stephenson said the club’s wages bill “is not exorbitant” and the influx of talent is the result of a risky strategy that could have backfired.

Coleman turned down the potential to earn big bucks in Europe to re-sign with Rugby Australia until the end of 2019, and following his former Force coach Dave Wessels, the big lock became the ninth Wallaby to join the Rebels for next season.


Adam Coleman is the latest Wallaby to join the Rebels.
Melbourne have had a huge turnover from the squad that finished last in 2017, with 17 new players added - including a dozen from the Force, Will Genia and former England lock Geoff Parling. They’ll join a squad already including Amanaki Mafi and rising stars like Jack Maddocks.

The assembly of such a high-quality group of players has prompted many to question how Melbourne can afford it, and not if they’re busting the $5m salary cap, but by how much.

Rugby Australia have already declared they allow “flexibility” for the salary cap during a post-Force “transition phase”, which will also see extra players allowed at each of the four remaining franchises.

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It is understood a fixed salary cap will return in 2019, however.

Queensland and NSW are privately miffed that the Rebels have been given such generous leeway to sign all the top Force stars, as well as a few others.

The Brumbies have picked up Chance Peni and Richie Arnold, and it’s understood the Waratahs are close to securing deals with Ben McCalman and Curtis Rona.

But the Reds - still smarting from losing Genia due to an already full halfback roster - aren’t going to get any big names from WA.

Stephenson defended the Rebels’ recruitment success, however, saying they’d taken a big risk in keeping over 10 spots open as late as August and that their total spend on player salaries was - if anything - only bringing them level with the bigger states for the first time.

“People would be surprised to see the numbers where we are at this year are not exorbitant at all,” Stephenson said.


The Rebels pinched Reds legend and Wallabies halfback Will Genia.
“You don’t want to compare different squads but when we compare Wallaby top-up money, we would be still under a few of the other franchises.

“And really, it’s the first time in Rebels or Force’s history that we are even close to some of the other franchises to total spend.”

The Rebels were always confident they would stay in Super Rugby but unlike the Tahs, Reds and Brumbies, they rolled the dice and banked on picking up Force players - and their coach - after Rugby Australia made a final call on cutting a team.

If the Force won their legal battles and stayed alive, the Rebels would have been struggling to fill their roster. If Wessels had have gone to Munster instead of the Rebels, too, there was a major chance many Force players would have not signed either.

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“There was definitely some risk with regards to the strategy but we are really happy with where we have ended up,” Stephenson said.

“We had a particularly large group of players coming off contract in 2017, so that was also a bit of factor in how it’s gone down. But there was a fair bit of risk for us, in June-July-August there was a bit stress of what 2018 might look like for us.

“This process has been going for six months we have been communicating with Rugby Australia for all that time. They have been very aware of what our strategy is.

“So we have assembled a good squad and there will be a lot of competition for spots and there’ll be a new energy about the place and a new direction, which is what we needed.”


Former England and Lions lock Geoff Parling (L) is also heading to the Rebels.
With salary cap “flexibility” set to end next year, it’s likely there will be further movement between squads as teams continue to refine their rosters and players even potentially seek to move franchises to get more opportunities.

Stephenson said he was happy the Rebels wouldn’t lose many but conceded there are some players who may be looking to pursue overseas options to beat the post-World Cup rush.

Coleman’s signature is a big one for Australian rugby and the Rebels, said Stephenson.

‘Leading into the World Cup he is going to play a big role for the Wallabies and I honestly believe he was having a good strong look overseas,” Stephenson said.

“It is great for Australian rugby and I know Adam is keen to make a strong impact at Super Rugby. His relationship with Dave played a big part. He is confident in the development he will get in the environment down here.”
 

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Michael Lynagh (62)
Updated potential matchday 23....gees that is quality on paper....

1. Tetera Faulkner
2. Jordan Uelese
3. Jermaine Ainsley
4. Adam Coleman
5. Matt Philip
6 Lotepi Timani
7 Colby Fainga'a
8. Amanaki Mafi
9. Will Genia
10. Jono Lance
11. Sefa Naivalu
12. Reece Hodge
13.Billy Meakes
14. Marikia Koroibete
15. Dane Haylett-Petty
16. Sam Talakai
17.Anaru Rangi
18. Fereti Sa'aga
19 . Geoff Parling
20. Ross Haylett-Petty
21. Richard Hardwick
22. Nic Stirzaker / Michael Ruru
23. Dave Horwitz / Tom English
 

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Peter Sullivan (51)
So is it possible that given the ex Force plyers were ARU employees, on direct contracts from the ARU that they will continue to be payed outside of Rebels, Brumbies and Tahs direct player payments. Edit: i hadnt read the ”Payto” post or Stephensons comments
 
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So is it possible that given the ex Force plyers were ARU employees, on direct contracts from the ARU that they will continue to be payed outside of Rebels, Brumbies and Tahs direct player payments.

No, all these contracts are new contracts with the Rebels and supersede existing contracts with the Force
 

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Jim Clark (26)
Updated potential matchday 23..gees that is quality on paper..

1. Tetera Faulkner
2. Jordan Uelese
3. Jermaine Ainsley
4. Adam Coleman
5. Matt Philip
6 Lotepi Timani
7 Colby Fainga'a
8. Amanaki Mafi
9. Will Genia
10. Jono Lance
11. Sefa Naivalu
12. Reece Hodge
13.Billy Meakes
14. Marikia Koroibete
15. Dane Haylett-Petty
16. Sam Talakai
17.Anaru Rangi
18. Fereti Sa'aga
19 . Geoff Parling
20. Ross Haylett-Petty
21. Richard Hardwick
22. Nic Stirzaker / Michael Ruru
23. Dave Horwitz / Tom English

7 Force and 7 Rebels in the starting line up with 1 other.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Hodge at 11, Meakes at 12 and Sefa at 13. Hanson has to be above Rangi for the bench (unless he goes elsewhere). Parling is probably pretty expensive for a bench player as well.
 

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Jason Little (69)
I'm sure nobody (and that includes the ARU itself) have a clue as to how the finances are being allocated/managed for 2018. IIRC the undertaking given during the period of uncertainty leading to axing the Force was that the ARU would honour the contracts of those players who couldn't find a new home here or overseas, or to supplement any lesser value contract to the value of the broken Force contract.

If that is the situation, then it looks to me that the Rebels (and Brumbies) will have to cough up the salaries within their present caps, or at least to stump up the money if they exceed the cap. The ARU just might not have any commitment at all, and probably even less interest, to come to the party with additional funding.

Unless there has been some unannounced change of strategy, then a person could be forgiven for thinking the Rebels are probably on the track to massive losses in 2018. Worst case, they can't pay the players their full contracted amount - what chance then for a win in the conference or overall in 2018?
 

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Michael Lynagh (62)
7 Force and 7 Rebels in the starting line up with 1 other.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Hodge at 11, Meakes at 12 and Sefa at 13. Hanson has to be above Rangi for the bench (unless he goes elsewhere). Parling is probably pretty expensive for a bench player as well.

Yes would have Hanson definitely higher than Rangi but assumed he is going to leave and stay in the UK. Parling will be fighting Philips for starting lock. I also bracketed Ruru with Striz.....assuming some truth to rumours Wessels looking to bring Ruru in.
 

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Phil Hardcastle (33)
7 Force and 7 Rebels in the starting line up with 1 other.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Hodge at 11, Meakes at 12 and Sefa at 13. Hanson has to be above Rangi for the bench (unless he goes elsewhere). Parling is probably pretty expensive for a bench player as well.
What I really like about that is that 9 of that starting line up are also currently together with the Wallabies. Based on Darwin’s theory of cohesion it gives further hope that the strong squad can start playing well together quickly.


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John Eales (66)
What I really like about that is that 9 of that starting line up are also currently together with the Wallabies. Based on Darwin’s theory of cohesion it gives further hope that the strong squad can start playing well together quickly.


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Straight out of the Waratahs playbook! ;-)
 

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Peter Johnson (47)
Hope we keep Mafi .

pretty sure 2 things mean no you won't a) I understand that Japanese imports are limited to 2 seasons (H.Tui was allowed a 3rd as he was injured for the entire 1st season) so this would be Mafi's last. b) new rule coming in that if you want to play for Japan you need to play in Japan (this mean sunwolves, very jaguares esk)
 

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Nicholas Shehadie (39)
pretty sure 2 things mean no you won't a) I understand that Japanese imports are limited to 2 seasons (H.Tui was allowed a 3rd as he was injured for the entire 1st season) so this would be Mafi's last. b) new rule coming in that if you want to play for Japan you need to play in Japan (this mean sunwolves, very jaguares esk)
Depends on if Mafi is a Marquee or Japanese signing. Both 2 years each? Perhaps we can use both for Naki and get 4?
 
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Depends on if Mafi is a Marquee or Japanese signing. Both 2 years each? Perhaps we can use both for Naki and get 4?

The whole purpose of limiting the position to 2 year is to allow Aussie eligible talent the opportunity to come through, to do as you suggest defeats the whole purpose of that. Even more significant now that we only have 4 teams.
 

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Nicholas Shehadie (39)
The whole purpose of limiting the position to 2 year is to allow Aussie eligible talent the opportunity to come through, to do as you suggest defeats the whole purpose of that. Even more significant now that we only have 4 teams.
True. I didn’t say it was right, just looking for a loophole!
 

KevinO

Geoff Shaw (53)
Updated potential matchday 23..gees that is quality on paper..

1. Tetera Faulkner
2. Jordan Uelese
3. Jermaine Ainsley
4. Adam Coleman
5. Matt Philip
6 Lotepi Timani
7 Colby Fainga'a
8. Amanaki Mafi
9. Will Genia
10. Jono Lance
11. Sefa Naivalu
12. Reece Hodge
13.Billy Meakes
14. Marikia Koroibete
15. Dane Haylett-Petty
16. Sam Talakai
17.Anaru Rangi
18. Fereti Sa'aga
19 . Geoff Parling
20. Ross Haylett-Petty
21. Richard Hardwick
22. Nic Stirzaker / Michael Ruru
23. Dave Horwitz / Tom English

Weeks will be in the 23, plus there will be 3 backs on the bench. Pointless having Parling, RHP and Hardwick all on the pine at once. Take RHP out and put Maddocks in the 23. Maddocks will be starting ahead of DHP by the end of the season, calling it now.
 

KevinO

Geoff Shaw (53)
Forgetting the expectations those outside the Rebels will have on us, I am absolutely putting my cards on the table to say I expect finals spot in 2018.

I'm with GMR in that finals would be a minimum passmark, but to say we will win the title in the first year of the new playing/coaching group is perhaps pushing things. Let's make that the 2019 goal. :)

Having said all that, I will not be at all upset if we happened to walk away with the silverware.

Considering over 50% of the comp will make finals it has to be achieved, is the trophy for the Australian conference back? We should at least bring that home and the Weary Dunlop next season. .
 

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Greg Davis (50)
Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves. Hubris is a bitch...

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Considering over 50% of the comp will make finals it has to be achieved, is the trophy for the Australian conference back? We should at least bring that home and the Weary Dunlop next season. .

Certainly looks like Rebels have won the pre-season championship, Tahs may be a bit upset
 

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Michael Lynagh (62)
Weeks will be in the 23, plus there will be 3 backs on the bench. Pointless having Parling, RHP and Hardwick all on the pine at once. Take RHP out and put Maddocks in the 23. Maddocks will be starting ahead of DHP by the end of the season, calling it now.
Rhp covers lock and 6


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