Reds 2017

[Gillys_ghost]

Nobody who has been involved with rugby in this country for the last decade.

Well fuck

 

[Gillys_ghost]

Anybody know what Wilko is up to?

 

[dru]

Seems MOC will get Reds and Stiles will get force...Sounds like a halfassed revision of Graham and Foley.

Taylor or Blackadder for Reds

Meyer or Lancaster for Force

If that happens a pox on the ARU and Australian soup. I'd rather find a Shute Shield team and start supporting that rugby political peanut, Bob Dwyer.

Agree with your suggestions for coaches. That would have me stay.

 

[The torpedo]

Anybody know what Wilko is up to?

Helping the poms out.
WTF can't the ARU offer a contract as a kicking & skills coach to him? Unless a). Chris Malone's contract can't be broken, or b). too many egos getting in the way

 

[neilc]

Didn't the Waratahs have Andrew Merthens helping them out with kicking part time a few years ago? Where's Darryl Halligan these days? He was a very effective kicker both in rugby and league.

 

[Tomikin]

It's not just the coaching staff. They are not the ones kicking or passing the ball.

There is something clearly very wrong with the players themselves. They are inept at the fundamentals of their chosen profession.

The skill levels on display in the NRL by guys of the same age is an order of magnitude above that of the Australian rugby players, which makes it more mystifying.


Why are our kicks do woeful? Why is our passing so inaccurate? How do we not tackle effectively?

Surely a professional athlete would not be satisfied to run out knowing that they are incompetent in almost all facets of the sport they are about to compete in and would therefore do something to remedy the situation.

I seriously doubt that any Australian half-back practices box kicks. we are so inaccurate at it that it can't possibly be practiced. If it is is being practiced, then the players must be very bad. In either case, there is certainly no professionalism there.

Do these guys understand the concept of extras? Or what it means to be professional?

Is RUPA the problem?

I don't know.

Even worse why is no one chasing the crap kick.. Thats an issue with all ozzie teams

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[Thinker]

Who are the options as a specialist kicking coach?

I can't speak to his quality, but there is a guy in Brisbane who works quite a bit with the schools and club sides around. Has worked with several pro clubs in Europe, the Argentinian national side and professional clubs in Japan.

These clubs fly him around the world, put him up etc but the Reds can't say "why don't you come down and have a chat/check out a session. we haven't found the touchline in 3 seasons, would be keen on thoughts"

I'm sure there are plenty others, every ex-South African 10 seems to be a kicking coach, but this guy is probably less than 20 minutes away and worked with some of the better kickers and coaches around.

Ego is a major killer of coaching success.

 

[TOCC]

Mick Byrnes, the All Blacks 'skills coach' from 2005-2015 now lives in Brisbane..

 

[hammertimethere]

So I heard from a person who is quite likely to know (close relationship with one of the selection committee) that the coach decision has been made and it is apparently not blackadder or MOC. The bastard wouldn't tell me specifically who won the race though. Not sure what to make of it.

 

[TSR]

And hasn't Mick Byrnes indicated he would willingly work with the Australian sides.

Seems a no brained to me.

 

[Thinker]

And hasn't Mick Byrnes indicated he would willingly work with the Australian sides.

Seems a no brained to me.

To bring a coach in who you even view at your level requires huge levels of humility and no ego. To bring is someone who may be a risk to your job is unheard of.

RG brought his mates from the Force, Foley went and got some club coaches from South Africa. We've seen the results.

It's important to realise that they guys coaching at this level are highly unlikely to be the best coaches around. At every rung of the ladder things like politics and club association impacts on coaching appointments. That filters through to each subsequent level.

Not to mention the obsession with hiring former players before they are ready. While players can certainly become great coaches, it isn't a certainty. In fact if you wanted to tie break between coaches at Super Rugby level, don't appoint the bloke who has represented his country. Teams coached by ex-internationals are under-represented in top 4 sides and over-represented in bottom 4 sides.

Add ego, fear of losing your job and fear of being found out and you get an environment that is not very conducive to growth and improvement.

 

[The torpedo]

So I heard from a person who is quite likely to know (close relationship with one of the selection committee) that the coach decision has been made and it is apparently not blackadder or MOC. The bastard wouldn't tell me specifically who won the race though. Not sure what to make of it.

From all the candidates we know, that means it's either Nick Stiles, Matt Taylor, Stuart Lancaster or 2 others we don't know. Probably rule out Stiles as apparently he was not at the long lunch a few weeks back. Reg can you enlighten us to the names of the other 5 candidates please?

 

[dru]

From all the candidates we know, that means it's either Nick Stiles, Matt Taylor, Stuart Lancaster or 2 others we don't know. Probably rule out Stiles as apparently he was not at the long lunch a few weeks back. Reg can you enlighten us to the names of the other 5 candidates please?

From that group give me Tsylor, but make sure we keep Stiles.

Lancaster can have Herbert's job, only if Linc doesnt want to get back into the game.

 

[RugbyReg]

From all the candidates we know, that means it's either Nick Stiles, Matt Taylor, Stuart Lancaster or 2 others we don't know. Probably rule out Stiles as apparently he was not at the long lunch a few weeks back. Reg can you enlighten us to the names of the other 5 candidates please?

The only other one I know is Mulvihil.

Lawrie Fisher has been rumoured as well.

 

[TSR]

To bring a coach in who you even view at your level requires huge levels of humility and no ego. To bring is someone who may be a risk to your job is unheard of.

RG brought his mates from the Force, Foley went and got some club coaches from South Africa. We've seen the results.

It's important to realise that they guys coaching at this level are highly unlikely to be the best coaches around. At every rung of the ladder things like politics and club association impacts on coaching appointments. That filters through to each subsequent level.

Not to mention the obsession with hiring former players before they are ready. While players can certainly become great coaches, it isn't a certainty. In fact if you wanted to tie break between coaches at Super Rugby level, don't appoint the bloke who has represented his country. Teams coached by ex-internationals are under-represented in top 4 sides and over-represented in bottom 4 sides.

Add ego, fear of losing your job and fear of being found out and you get an environment that is not very conducive to growth and improvement.

I don't read it like that. Byrnes has, to my understanding, no designs to be a full time HC. But he is open and willing to assist on skills development and has a proven track record - arguably the best in the world.

Coaches want to sorround themselves by good people. I'm sure coaches, like all us, can suffer from self doubt, but I can't imagine any HC seriously has a fear of 'being found out'. There are plenty of examples of mutually beneficial coaching relationships starting from a HC strategically sourcing expertise. Jake White bringing in Eddie Jones is the one that springs immediately to mind.

Some of the observations you make about unsuitable candidates getting coaching roles on the back of playing exploits or for other reasons are spot on. I'm not arguing that poor coaching selection doesn't happen - it happens all the time.

I would hope that the coaching selection panel has given consideration to the planning of the coach elect with regards to his support structures. If the plan doesn't include sourcing supporting coaches with the necessary proven history than I would hope that the coaching panel will pass that applicant over.

 

[neilc]

Coaches want to surround themselves by good people. I'm sure coaches, like all us, can suffer from self doubt, but I can't imagine any HC seriously has a fear of 'being found out'. There are plenty of examples of mutually beneficial coaching relationships starting from a HC strategically sourcing expertise. Jake White bringing in Eddie Jones is the one that springs immediately to mind.

Dave Rennie getting Wayne Smith in is another example of bringing a mutually beneficial person in.

 

[Gillys_ghost]

Props: Slipper, Tupou, Talakai, Paraka, Faagase
Hooker: Moore, Ready, Mafi
Lock: Simmons, Douglas, Neville, L.Tui
Flanker: Korzcyk, H.Tui, Smith, Gunn, Schatz
No.8: Houston, Timu
Scrumhalf: Frisby, Tuttle
Flyhalf: McIntyre, Mason, Paia'aua
Centre: Taefu, Kerevi, Magnay, F'Sautia
Wing: Nabuli, Kuridrani, Perese, Laloifi
Fullback: Hunt

is this what are squad looks like for next year as of right now?

 

[No4918]

CFS is in Japan in off season, haven't heard if he is still on at the Reds.

 

[upthereds#!]

is scott gale still in there?

as well as quade, we need an experienced quality outside back. Someone with rugby nous

 

[neilc]

Props: Slipper, Tupou, Talakai, Paraka, Faagase
Hooker: Moore, Ready, Mafi
Lock: Simmons, Douglas, Neville, L.Tui
Flanker: Korzcyk, H.Tui, Smith, Gunn, Schatz
No.8: Houston, Timu
Scrumhalf: Frisby, Tuttle
Flyhalf: McIntyre, Mason, Paia'aua
Centre: Taefu, Kerevi, Magnay, F'Sautia
Wing: Nabuli, Kuridrani, Perese, Laloifi
Fullback: Hunt

is this what are squad looks like for next year as of right now?

Seems about right, what about the other Tuttle who has been playing fullback the last 2 games - not sure of his status in the squad.