Reds 2017
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Tim Horan (67)
Why paint a polemic? Wayne Smith is a good journo and I relish his snippets. Its just that he is a journo, not a formal spokesman from the Reds. Reckon we are closer to that from our very own, blokes like Reg and Intruder, than with Smith.
Smith has not said MOC has the job. Just that he was impressive. With his plan.mSo at least one Red, either on the selection committee or close enough to provide info second hand, thought MOC was in front. For that stage of the process. And for the interviews conducted at that stage. On the basis of "the Plan" part of the selection process.
We also got from Smith that the process should be concluded a fortnight after the season. All good info.
Just not a Reds announcement.
Smith has not said MOC has the job. Just that he was impressive. With his plan.mSo at least one Red, either on the selection committee or close enough to provide info second hand, thought MOC was in front. For that stage of the process. And for the interviews conducted at that stage. On the basis of "the Plan" part of the selection process.
We also got from Smith that the process should be concluded a fortnight after the season. All good info.
Just not a Reds announcement.
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Jim Tucker is the Reds journo of choice...
In the same Wayne Smith article he also claims that "It is unclear how precisely many foreigners were among the interviewees"..
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Bill McLean (32)
That anyone would consider either of these interim coaches as next years head coach is unbelievable to me. I hope it's just Wayne Smith talking out of his arse.
Stiles is a fantastic set piece coach but at this level all other facets of forward play just lack so poorly.
If our backs had no coach I strongly believe they would do better than they currently are. Matt O'Connor has a lot to answer for.
More than anything our recruitment has been abysmal. Luckily that changes somewhat next year.
Stiles is a fantastic set piece coach but at this level all other facets of forward play just lack so poorly.
If our backs had no coach I strongly believe they would do better than they currently are. Matt O'Connor has a lot to answer for.
More than anything our recruitment has been abysmal. Luckily that changes somewhat next year.
Thinker
Darby Loudon (17)
Tonight should be the nail in the coffin for the incumbents. Every minute of this season should have been, but I guess there is process. The ARU will have to take over the reigns if they get appointed. Fans won't stand for it again and no Goromaru to bail the money side out.
We need to get this right. At this stage, with the options being discussed, it seems we won't be a force for 5-10 years. People can sit around and say young player X shows promise, but that isn't the real thing.
In the history of Super Rugby, only 3 coaches have finished in bottom 4 in first season and ever made finals, that's just 8%. Eddie, Frank Oliver did it with a 6-5 finals appearance in 97 and Naka Drotske snuck the Cheetahs in 6th place in an expanded comp (he finished in the bottom 4 every other season in his 5-6 year career). And if that's not bad enough only 20% of coaches who finish in the bottom half in their first season ever make finals. Names include: Jones, McKenzie, Nucifora, Dwyer, Cheika, Joseph. Not exactly your average coach.
This is not a developmental level for coaches.
The Reds should take whatever deal they offered Marsh to sell his soul and offer triple to Tatts. Even as a D coach. I can't recall a team so technically poor at the tackle.
I still think until everyone has been booted we are stuffed, but I can't see Herbert getting the flick.
One of the many telling factors is our kicking. Every game just about for 3 years our kicking has been awful. And just about every game we have a penalty wasted by a poor kick to touch.
Yet, either nothing has been done about this or it has and failed. Both reasons to clean out the staff.
I know when Meehan was there he got in touch with a few kicking specialists. But nothing happened. The organisation accepted mediocrity every single day they turned up to work.
Japanese clubs are happy to bring over kicking guys, one from Brisbane is over there now it seems, but the Reds don't do squat and are content with it.
There is no downside to something like this. The risk is pretty much zero. Except it is a hit to the ego of the current coaches.
The fact that after 3 years of this we have kicking performances like tonight shows everything that is wrong with the organisation.
(Kicking is just one example that is consistent and easily addressed. It is not a pro-kicking statement or such)
We need to get this right. At this stage, with the options being discussed, it seems we won't be a force for 5-10 years. People can sit around and say young player X shows promise, but that isn't the real thing.
In the history of Super Rugby, only 3 coaches have finished in bottom 4 in first season and ever made finals, that's just 8%. Eddie, Frank Oliver did it with a 6-5 finals appearance in 97 and Naka Drotske snuck the Cheetahs in 6th place in an expanded comp (he finished in the bottom 4 every other season in his 5-6 year career). And if that's not bad enough only 20% of coaches who finish in the bottom half in their first season ever make finals. Names include: Jones, McKenzie, Nucifora, Dwyer, Cheika, Joseph. Not exactly your average coach.
This is not a developmental level for coaches.
The Reds should take whatever deal they offered Marsh to sell his soul and offer triple to Tatts. Even as a D coach. I can't recall a team so technically poor at the tackle.
I still think until everyone has been booted we are stuffed, but I can't see Herbert getting the flick.
One of the many telling factors is our kicking. Every game just about for 3 years our kicking has been awful. And just about every game we have a penalty wasted by a poor kick to touch.
Yet, either nothing has been done about this or it has and failed. Both reasons to clean out the staff.
I know when Meehan was there he got in touch with a few kicking specialists. But nothing happened. The organisation accepted mediocrity every single day they turned up to work.
Japanese clubs are happy to bring over kicking guys, one from Brisbane is over there now it seems, but the Reds don't do squat and are content with it.
There is no downside to something like this. The risk is pretty much zero. Except it is a hit to the ego of the current coaches.
The fact that after 3 years of this we have kicking performances like tonight shows everything that is wrong with the organisation.
(Kicking is just one example that is consistent and easily addressed. It is not a pro-kicking statement or such)
Simon.
Bob Loudon (25)
Agreed. I'll seriously think about walking if MOC is appointed head coach. I will not attend a single game next year. I'm not rewarding this continued failure of leadership and management within the QRU. Both fans and players deserve better.
Tonight, I took a Colombian friend to the game. She arrived in Australia five years ago tomorrow, and went straight from the plane to the 2011 Grand Final. She didn't remember much of it because she was jet lagged, so she asked if I'd take her to see another game for her five year anniversary here.
What a turnaround. With 10 minutes to go, she turned to me and said "Why do you support the Reds again? They are terrible." She barely understood what was going on, but it was so obvious they were a shambles that she was just as exasperated as the rest of us.
Tonight, I took a Colombian friend to the game. She arrived in Australia five years ago tomorrow, and went straight from the plane to the 2011 Grand Final. She didn't remember much of it because she was jet lagged, so she asked if I'd take her to see another game for her five year anniversary here.
What a turnaround. With 10 minutes to go, she turned to me and said "Why do you support the Reds again? They are terrible." She barely understood what was going on, but it was so obvious they were a shambles that she was just as exasperated as the rest of us.
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Trevor Allan (34)
On the positive side I was at the game and it was noticeable to me how much flatter Duncan played than Jake does. He's also faster and has better footwork. I thought he looked much more assured
neilc
Bob Loudon (25)
Yes, when he started running at the defence he looked good, that hospital pass to Kerevi that lead to the first try was awful though.
Nabuli was very involved but just doesn't seem to be able to break through any defence, at least not any Chiefs defence, which is a concern for a big winger.
I've not really noticed Houston in his appearances yet, has anyone seen any good signs there? I'd expected to see some real go forward, maybe the games have been too far gone?
gel
Ken Catchpole (46)
It's not just the coaching staff. They are not the ones kicking or passing the ball.
There is something clearly very wrong with the players themselves. They are inept at the fundamentals of their chosen profession.
The skill levels on display in the NRL by guys of the same age is an order of magnitude above that of the Australian rugby players, which makes it more mystifying.
Why are our kicks do woeful? Why is our passing so inaccurate? How do we not tackle effectively?
Surely a professional athlete would not be satisfied to run out knowing that they are incompetent in almost all facets of the sport they are about to compete in and would therefore do something to remedy the situation.
I seriously doubt that any Australian half-back practices box kicks. we are so inaccurate at it that it can't possibly be practiced. If it is is being practiced, then the players must be very bad. In either case, there is certainly no professionalism there.
Do these guys understand the concept of extras? Or what it means to be professional?
Is RUPA the problem?
I don't know.
There is something clearly very wrong with the players themselves. They are inept at the fundamentals of their chosen profession.
The skill levels on display in the NRL by guys of the same age is an order of magnitude above that of the Australian rugby players, which makes it more mystifying.
Why are our kicks do woeful? Why is our passing so inaccurate? How do we not tackle effectively?
Surely a professional athlete would not be satisfied to run out knowing that they are incompetent in almost all facets of the sport they are about to compete in and would therefore do something to remedy the situation.
I seriously doubt that any Australian half-back practices box kicks. we are so inaccurate at it that it can't possibly be practiced. If it is is being practiced, then the players must be very bad. In either case, there is certainly no professionalism there.
Do these guys understand the concept of extras? Or what it means to be professional?
Is RUPA the problem?
I don't know.
gel
Ken Catchpole (46)
From the Australian:
'“It’s relative to how good they are,” O’Connor said.
“They’re the best we’ve played. They exposed some deficiencies in our game and the intensity that they played at in the first half was hard to match.”
Captain James Slipper bemoaned Queensland’s exasperating run of losses this season.
“Of course I’m sick of it. I was sick of if the first time it happened. The fine detail just let us down, ” Slipper said."'
Can't actually be that deluded, surely.
They aren't just "fine details" James.
It's not just relative to "how good they are" Matt.
That's loser talk plain and simple.
'“It’s relative to how good they are,” O’Connor said.
“They’re the best we’ve played. They exposed some deficiencies in our game and the intensity that they played at in the first half was hard to match.”
Captain James Slipper bemoaned Queensland’s exasperating run of losses this season.
“Of course I’m sick of it. I was sick of if the first time it happened. The fine detail just let us down, ” Slipper said."'
Can't actually be that deluded, surely.
They aren't just "fine details" James.
It's not just relative to "how good they are" Matt.
That's loser talk plain and simple.
Waterboyrugby
Herbert Moran (7)
It is well known that DP cannot kick well, which is why he should be playing 12 not 10. 2 clearing kicks straight down McKenzie's throat is an invitation for trouble, 1 dud restart, 1 bomb out on the full after taking it inside the 22, 1 shank of a clearing kick.. the worst one being the long grubber on attack with no one chasing. His strength is his passing and flat attack which is way better than McIntyre.
Frisby's aimless kicking has been there all season, he is decent with the clearing kicks, its the box kicks and 'settlers' which are poor. When no one knows what to do, after a few phases he will pop up and send it into touch (even 30-40m out on attack!). The box kicks are consistently aimless and poor kick chase often puts the Reds in bad positions to defend the counter attack. The mentality to attack is not there.
McIntyre's general in play kicking has been substandard, often shanking the ball, kicking backwards & pop gun clearing. Which is why when he plays Frisby does most of the kicking.
Part of the issue is the continual selection of players with serious kicking deficiencies in positions that require it (DP & JM), putting more pressure on others to take up the duties (Frisby & sometimes Hunt).
I have to believe the sheer volume of turnover kicking from Frisby this season is under instruction and part of the gameplan, otherwise it is really terrible play and the coaches would've dropped him.
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Ken Catchpole (46)
Slipper and his 'fine details' sounds like cheika and the 'little things'. Both teams have - actually all teams. Have serious deficiencies. Tactics in attack, structure in defence and reliance on 1 or 2 individuals to make it 'happen'....eg kerevi, folau, pocock. BTW cheiks and slipper, consistently poor passing is not a fine detail - it's a core skill.
Was thinking Blackadder would be epic for the Reds but now thinking Taylor should be the man, he's worked here before when they were on top in defence, been in the NH now would do well to come back as the boss. BUT THEN I was thinking...well shit the Waratahs and Wallabies defence isn't that good either so maybe Taylor should be Wallabies Defence.
Seems MOC will get Reds and Stiles will get force.......Sounds like a halfassed revision of Graham and Foley.
Taylor or Blackadder for Reds
Meyer or Lancaster for Force
Was thinking Blackadder would be epic for the Reds but now thinking Taylor should be the man, he's worked here before when they were on top in defence, been in the NH now would do well to come back as the boss. BUT THEN I was thinking...well shit the Waratahs and Wallabies defence isn't that good either so maybe Taylor should be Wallabies Defence.
Seems MOC will get Reds and Stiles will get force.......Sounds like a halfassed revision of Graham and Foley.
Taylor or Blackadder for Reds
Meyer or Lancaster for Force
The torpedo
Peter Fenwicke (45)
The only good thing about McIntyre's kicking (if there is such a thing) is that we have somehow scored a couple of tries from it
Gillys_ghost
Dave Cowper (27)
Who are the options as a specialist kicking coach?
Strewthcobber
Mark Ella (57)
Nobody who has been involved with rugby in this country for the last decade.
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