Shute Shield 2016

[the coach]

Sub standard refereeing at T G today . Why was Donlan binned ? - big call at such a critical phase of game . In fact referees were yellow card happy against both sides in all grades . I know we need them but gosh they show a lack of engagement with the mood of the games at times

Donlan was a victim of several previous transcretions at the breakdown by Manly players. The ref warned the captain that he would bin the next offender and Donlan clearly left his feet (and may also have entered from the side). Not saying I agree with the decision, but that appeared to be what happened looking at the TV replay.

 

[Seymour Butz]

Donlan was a victim of several previous transcretions at the breakdown by Manly players. The ref warned the captain that he would bin the next offender and Donlan clearly left his feet (and may also have entered from the side). Not saying I agree with the decision, but that appeared to be what happened looking at the TV replay.

Just watched the replay - it was a team yellow, and he entered from the side.

 

[the coach]

Assuming the NSWRU website is correct, and I can add up, West Harbour exceeded the player points cap in 1sts today by quite a margin. Their starting lineup totalled 88 points and they ran on the veteran Tom Hikila (16 points) and several other replacements.

Wonder what the penalty will be, given that they lost the game anyway and didn't score any bonus points?

 

[Seymour Butz]

Gross incompetence.

Never seen that guy before in SS and hope I never see him again. Inconsistent and seemingly doesn't know the laws and/or how to apply them.

Refereeing at TG today was pathetic, why was Hilterbrands try disallowed? ref said the 5 disengaged, I watched the replay 4 times and still cannot see how he came to that conclusion.

Pretty sure he said it was obstruction. Disengaged or not, Hilterbrands was moving toward the try line, there was a gap in front of him with another Manly player in front driving forward, and then the try line in front of him. The Manly player in front cleared the way to the try line for the ball carrier behind him (intentionally or not), obstructing Eastwood players as they tried to reach the try scorer. Obstruction.

 

[The Galah]

Donlan was a victim of several previous transcretions at the breakdown by Manly players. The ref warned the captain that he would bin the next offender and Donlan clearly left his feet (and may also have entered from the side). Not saying I agree with the decision, but that appeared to be what happened looking at the TV replay.

Fair call and point well made. It was still , in the circumstances , a tough call hence my observations. The yellow card seems to be almost the default option for refs this year but happy to be corrected. Do we have comparative stats for past seasons?

 

[The Galah]

TBF he gave a lot of penalties, whether or not they were all justified, the two teams have to work with the official. YCs were inevitable.

Again appreciate the sentiment and yes work with the official but a degree of empathy with the players is equally called from officials as is a sense of humour

 

[the coach]

Fair call and point well made. It was still , in the circumstances , a tough call hence my observations. The yellow card seems to be almost the default option for refs this year but happy to be corrected. Do we have comparative stats for past seasons?

I've always had a real problem with the so called "team yellow card" concept ie where a series of transcretions by different players results in a player who has done nothing wrong previously in the game (eg Donlan) spending time in the bin. In this case, at a critical point in the game and a long way away from the "red zone".

But I'm not sure what alternative the referee has. If he doesn't use the card then I'm sure coaches and players will take advantage of the situation and we'll see many more breakdown infringements.

As we all know the breakdown is a lottery anyway --- the ref could probably find something to penalise at every breakdown if he wanted to.

IMO there are two breakdown infringements that all refs seem to ignore these days: (1) cleaning out players who are not part of the ruck / maul (2) attacking players making no attempt to stay on their feet when arriving at the breakdown.

HJ can probably dig up some stats for numbers of cards this year v previous.

 

[Dave Beat]

I have re-watched it, most refs would have had the woods 7 in the bin for continuing to use his arms to support his body weight, and also his knees on a few occasions.
I also think Hilterbrands try was a try after re watching it.

But after saying that the score does not reflect the game - it was a 1 point game that either team could have one.

 

[Quick Hands]

Just watched the replay - it was a team yellow, and he entered from the side.

Difficult to enter from the side when the ball has already emerged and been picked up by a player who isn't part of the ruck. i.e. he tackled a player who picked up the ball - ruck over.

 

[Quick Hands]

Pretty sure he said it was obstruction. Disengaged or not, Hilterbrands was moving toward the try line, there was a gap in front of him with another Manly player in front driving forward, and then the try line in front of him. The Manly player in front cleared the way to the try line for the ball carrier behind him (intentionally or not), obstructing Eastwood players as they tried to reach the try scorer. Obstruction.

No loss of bind by anyone. Same maul. Hasn't been deemed to obstruction in that context for a least 20 years.

 

[wamberal]

Dave,


Any review of the performance of both sides would have to acknowledge that Eastwood threw a certain try away. The first Manly try was a 10 or 12 point turnaround.


Coulda woulda shoulda. You guys won three games away from home. Can't wait for the next meeting!!

 

[Quick Hands]

I've always had a real problem with the so called "team yellow card" concept ie where a series of transcretions by different players results in a player who has done nothing wrong previously in the game (eg Donlan) spending time in the bin. In this case, at a critical point in the game and a long way away from the "red zone".

But I'm not sure what alternative the referee has. If he doesn't use the card then I'm sure coaches and players will take advantage of the situation and we'll see many more breakdown infringements.

As we all know the breakdown is a lottery anyway --- the ref could probably find something to penalise at every breakdown if he wanted to.

IMO there are two breakdown infringements that all refs seem to ignore these days: (1) cleaning out players who are not part of the ruck / maul (2) attacking players making no attempt to stay on their feet when arriving at the breakdown.

HJ can probably dig up some stats for numbers of cards this year v previous.

The problem with this "team yellow" is two fold. Firstly the first infringement at that breakdown was on the Eastwood winger for not releasing. The second problem is that the ball had emerged from the ruck and picked up by an Eastwood player who was not part of the ruck. This becomes general play and he can be tackled by any onside player.

Agree with those two infringements which are often ignored today, and I'll give you another one - player falliing the ball as it emerges from a rucik or scrum. Yesterday a 4th infringement was ignored for 78 minutes - not releasing.

 

[Wazza2013]

Parramatta 26 Southern Districts 27

Parra played well yesterday. Structured in defence and solid in attack.

Both sides had very impressive scrums ( got to love a rugby scrum)

Was an entertaining game that could of gone either way.

Keep it up Parra.

 

[Dave Beat]

Dave,


Any review of the performance of both sides would have to acknowledge that Eastwood threw a certain try away. The first Manly try was a 10 or 12 point turnaround.


Coulda woulda shoulda. You guys won three games away from home. Can't wait for the next meeting!!

Yep, you see i don't see we lost that game, despite what the score board says.

That 10 - 12 point turn around, off set by a forward pass that that the Woods scored off and the Hilterbrand try that wasn't awarded = a very close game that should have had a 1 point difference.

That is not said with sour grapes - that is rugby.

But I still say Woods had the rub of the green with the decisions, and the ref had a poor game.

 

[wamberal]

As I said, Dave, I was not at the game. Did not even see the whole game because I went down to the gym in our building and watched it as I did some work.


Was the Manly defensive line ever penalised for off-side? They certainly got up quick!

 

[Dave Beat]

I think the rub of the green went the woods way with refs calls, I thought ref was poor, I'd hate to be a ref so shouldn't be commenting (but hey?).

The end score didn't reflect the game. I enjoyed the game, didn't like the result.

 

[refugee]

Again appreciate the sentiment and yes work with the official but a degree of empathy with the players is equally called from officials as is a sense of humour

Bloody hard to have a sense of humour when everyone is abusing you

 

[Dave Beat]

Bloody hard to have a sense of humour when everyone is abusing you

Or when everyone is getting frustrated with you because ..........

 

[Quick Hands]

As I said, Dave, I was not at the game. Did not even see the whole game because I went down to the gym in our building and watched it as I did some work.


Was the Manly defensive line ever penalised for off-side? They certainly got up quick!

The ref had a poor game in anlmost every aspect of it. Seemed out of his depth to be honest. Seemed to enforce some laws with a religious zeal, toatlly ignored or missed others and interpreted some laws in a way that I've never seen them interpreted. It makes for a frustrating game and when the rub of the green goes against you it magnifies it.

I'm sure that we would have much rather been defending a 32-28 lead in the last 4 minutes instead of trying to overcome a 28-27 deficit.

But the caravan moves on and at least we look forward to the next meeting. Always a tough, close affair.

 

[the coach]

The only problem with blaming the ref for losing a game is that there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. May as well not worry about trying to correct your own team's mistakes because the bloody ref will screw you anyway