Shute Shield 2017

[Quick Hands]

That's not correct. A substituted prop can replace an injured prop even when there is a reserve prop as yet unused.

Except if the team have used their full quota of replacements (7).

 

[Eyes and Ears]

Except if the team have used their full quota of replacements (7).

That's not correct either. The only limit to injury replacements is that there is an available player on the bench - either fresh or a substituted player who is allowed to return under the Laws of the game eg a front rower.

 

[Quick Hands]

That's not correct either. The only limit to injury replacements is that there is an available player on the bench - either fresh or a substituted player who is allowed to return under the Laws of the game eg a front rower.

That's simply not the case.

3.4 Players nominated as substitutes

(a)​

For international matches a Union may nominate up to eight replacements/substitutes.​

(b)​

For other matches, the Union or match organiser with jurisdiction over the match decides how many replacements/substitutes may be nominated to a maximum of eight.​

(c)​

A Union (or Unions, where a match or competition is played between teams from two or more Unions) may decide how many replacements/substitutes may be nominated to a maximum of eight.​

(d)​

A team can substitute up to three front row players (subject to Law 3.5 (b) and (c)) and up to five other players.​

(e)​

Substitutions may only be made when the ball is dead and with the permission of the referee.​

 

[the coach]

The officials were referring to "the competition rules"as opposed to the Laws of Rugby. Not sure what they are but the ref's comment was something along the lines of "let's play on and someone else can sort it out later".

 

[Quick Hands]

True, but the competition rules are still bound by the laws of rugby, specifically 3.4 (b) which places a limit on the number of substitutes.

 

[Eyes and Ears]

True, but the competition rules are still bound by the laws of rugby, specifically 3.4 (b) which places a limit on the number of substitutes.

Yes but my point is that the replacement of an injured player is a replacement not a substitution so 3.4d is not relevant.

 

[Quick Hands]

Yes but my point is that the replacement of an injured player is a replacement not a substitution so 3.4d is not relevant.

Which is why I pointed out 3.4(b). It deals with replacements/substitutes as being the same.

 

[Eyes and Ears]

3.4b stipulates how may players are on the bench not how many substitutions or replacements are allowed.

eg a team substitutes 8 players for the 8 players on the bench with still 20 minutes remaining. All substitutions have now been used. However this does not prevent a front rower replacing an injured front rower or a substituted player replacing a bleeding player in the last 20 minutes.

 

[Quick Hands]

3.4b stipulates how may players are on the bench not how many substitutions or replacements are allowed.

eg a team substitutes 8 players for the 8 players on the bench with still 20 minutes remaining. All substitutions have now been used. However this does not prevent a front rower replacing an injured front rower or a substituted player replacing a bleeding player in the last 20 minutes.

You're wrong, but let's agree to disagree and move on.

There's an upper limit to the number of replacements/substitutes as explained in this IRB explanation it's not unlimited.
http://www.rugby365.com/article/50101-irb-clears-up-bench

 

[Eyes and Ears]

The IRB explains it differently to me but it is the same effect. You are allowed up to 6 substitutions / replacements for front rowers ie you can make 3 substitutions and then those substituted players can return if any or all of the bench front rowers are injured.
I acknowledge that I did say it was unlimited but that it was effectively capped by not having either a fresh front rower or a substituted front rower available on the bench which is effectively a limit of 6 front rower subs/replacements which is how the IRB clarified it.
My point was that an injured front rower can return even after 3 front rower substitutions have occurred (or even 8 team substitutions) and the IRB article you attached confirms this.

 

[Quick Hands]

The IRB explains it differently to me but it is the same effect. You are allowed up to 6 substitutions / replacements for front rowers ie you can make 3 substitutions and then those substituted players can return if any or all of the bench front rowers are injured.
I acknowledge that I did say it was unlimited but that it was effectively capped by not having either a fresh front rower or a substituted front rower available on the bench which is effectively a limit of 6 front rower subs/replacements which is how the IRB clarified it.
My point was that an injured front rower can return even after 3 front rower substitutions have occurred (or even 8 team substitutions) and the IRB article you attached confirms this.

Infinite was the only point of disagreement.

 

[Dave Beat]

Great initiative and interacting at Grassroots level

 

[Quick Hands]

^^^Love it Dave.

 

[Dave Beat]

Best ground in Sydney.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

until it rains

 

[Dave Beat]

until it rains

Whats that?

 

[the coach]

Doesn't look like Coogee Oval -- what angle was it taken from

 

[Blackers13]

 

[Double Agent]

It was good to see the Marlins out early at Manly wharf this morning promoting this weekend's game. A nice change from having to dodge the various political candidates for tomorrow's by-election.

 

[GunnerDownUnder]

For those that care, it seems Norths will play Souths on Easter Friday. So you watch three games, two live and Manly v MTBs on telly when you get home on saturday!