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Shute Shield 2017

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amirite

amirite

Chilla Wilson (44)
Hugh Jarse said:
But of a difference between having the occasional player not paying full subs at a Club (frequently due to socio-economic circumstances rather than rugby ability) as opposed to being "semi-pro".

I might be wrong but from what I've been told they run a pretty tight financial ship at Concord and what little money they have is spent very frugally. Billy Pulveriser would approve.

Semi-pro is the Tahs EPS and development players - circa $30k.

NRC players are on about $5k downwards for uncontracted players. $5k is about one weeks work for some professions. Would you call a person who only receives remuneration for their skills as a lawyer, doctor, dentist, vet, consultant, etc for one week each year a semi-pro or a volunteer?
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Sure, I understand the point you're making but the fact is an athlete playing in a competition centred around exposure and development whilst being remunerated is pretty different to a lawyer/doctor volunteering their time behind closed doors out of the goodness of their heart and having costs covered.

For mine, an athlete training like a professional and receiving payment in any way, shape, or form is semi-pro. I think this is the most common definition of the term, but maybe it isn't. Either way, it isn't one I've constructed on my own.

As an aside - those Super development blokes getting $30-40k aren't 'semi-pro', they're just woefully underpaid professionals.
 
GunnerDownUnder

GunnerDownUnder

Jim Clark (26)
Cameron left after round 14 to trial with Gloucester, got signed and has been playing off the bench most of the season so far.
Gloucester have just signed Salesi Ma'afu also, but Cameron has been playing really well when coming on.

Harrison (his brother) plays for Newcastle now and played well in the Singha 7's that I watched, also started at 8 against Ospreys in Europe last weekend.
Also for Newcastle, ex-Two Blue Olmstead has been playing very well and is getting mentioned as a real tough, hard-hitting prospect.

Also just for Dave, Alex Northam has an great debut for the Gunners on the weekend (albeit against rather poor opposition) - you can watch full game here
 
Highlander35

Highlander35

Andrew Slack (58)
Eddie Aholelei and Brian Sefanaia were also playing for Timasoara, the latter starting and the former off the bench. Both former Marlins IIRC?

Northam played well. Think he'll be looking at games v the Italians, during international windows and in the Challenge cup though, between Hoyland, Helu, Scholes and Brown.
 
GunnerDownUnder

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Jim Clark (26)
He has had a very hard start to his Edinburgh career, found out he had testicular cancer just days before flying out to Scotland.
Hopefully he is all clear and can score a few tries for us this year.
 
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Edward Teach

Frank Row (1)
Am hearing rumblings that Parramatta have been very aggressive in the player recruitment market and have signed a whole stack of new players........and with the exception of 1, they're all forwards. Having watched them dominate more than their fair share upfront last season, I don't think it's forwards they need............their backs were woeful. Particularly the bloke who looked to be the worlds biggest 13, but who got carved up, especially by Manly.

The 1 back, is apparently George Ironside who played a handful of games at back end of 2015 for Penrith but missed entire 2016 season. Someone needs to review the recruitment strategy at Granville I think.
 
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gkd1169

Chris McKivat (8)
Edward Teach said:
Am hearing rumblings that Parramatta have been very aggressive in the player recruitment market and have signed a whole stack of new players....and with the exception of 1, they're all forwards. Having watched them dominate more than their fair share upfront last season, I don't think it's forwards they need....their backs were woeful. Particularly the bloke who looked to be the worlds biggest 13, but who got carved up, especially by Manly.

The 1 back, is apparently George Ironside who played a handful of games at back end of 2015 for Penrith but missed entire 2016 season. Someone needs to review the recruitment strategy at Granville I think.
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Parra have a fulltime recruitment officer and doing a good job too. Like was stated here previously the shute shield is an open market and fair enough too.
 
amirite

amirite

Chilla Wilson (44)
Edward Teach said:
The 1 back, is apparently George Ironside who played a handful of games at back end of 2015 for Penrith but missed entire 2016 season. Someone needs to review the recruitment strategy at Granville I think.
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It's important to remember with players, recruitment is both 'push' and 'pull'.

Some blokes will ask around and others will be chased up. If a 1st Grader from another club came up to you and said 'I want in', why wouldn't you have him?
 
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gkd1169

Chris McKivat (8)
In my opinion the Waratahs stuffed up big time. Im actually not impressed with Tom Robertson. That wallabies jumper in 2016 should have gone too Cameron Orr if the Waratahs didnt drop the ball in a big way. But then again roberston plays for the corporation so no real surprise there.
Cam is a great guy and actually has a good offload game. Hope he comes back soon
 
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Jack Belly Sparrow

Frank Row (1)
2bluesfan said:
I imagine we'll be seeing a "new" member on the forums now - @BellyPirates or maybe @BellyWests .

Good luck to Michael, he'll do well there. Although I wonder if he factored in the "can't see the field from the canteen" element in his decision making :)
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ah yes 2BF - I'm back. Shut down the old BellyTwoBlues and have created this one. I thought long and hard about rejoining, and wasn't going to, however Randy brought to my attention last night the comments from Edward Teach. So here I am, like a fool, sucked back in.

I couldn't think of any more catchy name than that of the the well known Pirate Jack Sparrow, so here we are.

For those of you wondering, yep I'm now at West Harbour. I'm thoroughly enjoying working with Todd Louden and again and am very excited for what lies ahead. There's lot's to do so I won't be spending too much time on here. You all know my thoughts, if I'm on here I'm not effectively using my time.

anyone who wishes to contact me direct about all things Pirates my new email address is gm@whrc.com.au

See ya!
Go Pirates!
 
Highlander35

Highlander35

Andrew Slack (58)
gkd1169 said:
In my opinion the Waratahs stuffed up big time. Im actually not impressed with Tom Robertson. That wallabies jumper in 2016 should have gone too Cameron Orr if the Waratahs didnt drop the ball in a big way. But then again roberston plays for the corporation so no real surprise there.

Cam is a great guy and actually has a good offload game. Hope he comes back soon
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That opinion seems odd to me, at least given that Orr is a specialist loosehead, but Robertson was playing tighthead for Uni at the time when Ryan and Ta'avao were playing shit?

Or are you referring to the whole mismanagement of having losing Alla'alatola and Kepu in the same offseason, having Sandell as one of your 6 contracted props, Signing Ta'avao in the first place, and failing to phase out Robbo/Tilse in a well thought out manner?

Because to me, one's misdirected anger, the others well founded frustration with management.
 
Dave Beat

Dave Beat

Paul McLean (56)
Highlander35 said:
Eddie Aholelei and Brian Sefanaia were also playing for Timasoara, the latter starting and the former off the bench. Both former Marlins IIRC?

Northam played well. Think he'll be looking at games v the Italians, during international windows and in the Challenge cup though, between Hoyland, Helu, Scholes and Brown.
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Must be allot of bait fish off shore given the Marlins swimming around - then there are the ones that hang deep and havent been mentioned.
 
Highlander35

Highlander35

Andrew Slack (58)
Dave Beat said:
Must be allot of bait fish off shore given the Marlins swimming around - then there are the ones that hang deep and havent been mentioned.
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Marlins Pro Alumni, even restricted to current pros, would be pretty good Dave.

And imagine a Rays one! (taking playing for one of the clubs as eligible)

May disagree with you on a few things, but you, your club and your region are definitely doing some things well, would have to be as blind as Joubert to deny it ;)
 
Hugh Jarse

Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
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^^^ Read post #136 above.

Posts on The Rebellion have been moved from here to a separate thread.
 
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