Summer of 16/17

[Braveheart81]

Definitely agree with dropping Mitch Marsh for Khawaja.

I think that was Shaun Marsh's best test innings in the first dig and he should stay.

An extra batsman seems warranted. Given the scores so far I would be banking on needing more batting than someone to share the bowling burden. Having said that, what's the bet the next test is where we see 400+ scores.

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[Lindommer]

The bowlers have performed very, very well in this series so far. The batsmen need to lift their respective games. Take Warner fer instance:
First Test, 38 & 10
Second Test, 33 & 17.

An average of 24.5 on this tour after two tests. Not good enough for a senior batsman, David, especially getting out sweeping on a turning pitch. Our bowlers have put us in excellent positions to win both tests so far, we aren't 2-0 up because the batsmen haven't equalled the trundlers' performances. The fact the bowlers learnt from their mistakes on day three on this Bangalore pitch fills me with some confidence leading into the next encounter.

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

The bowling group have been outstanding for mine. Everyone has made a contribution and taken wickets when it counted. It really stings not being 2-0 up in this series, because I felt that on balance we've played some bloody good cricket.

I would be dropping Mitch Marsh and playing another batsman for the remainder of the series. You can't have a number 6 scoring fewer runs than ten or jack in test matches. Other than that I would be keeping the line up the same.

 

[Quick Hands]

Definitely agree with dropping Mitch Marsh for Khawaja.

I think that was Shaun Marsh's best test innings in the first dig and he should stay.

An extra batsman seems warranted. Given the scores so far I would be banking on needing more batting than someone to share the bowling burden. Having said that, what's the bet the next test is where we see 400+ scores.

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That would be SMarsh's one good innings for the series (standard for him).

The alleged sub-contiental specialist has so far scored:

16 & 0

66 & 9

Out LBW not offering a shot - seriously, not offering a shot on that pitch.

 

[Lindommer]

Patrick hasn't played a first class match for some years. A goodish number of SS matches to be successfully completed before he's considered for test selection.

6 years this month since last Sheffield Shield match.

Cummins' first SS match since 2011, and he's taken a couple of wickets. If Pattinson can regain his form while staying uninjured and Sayers and Behrendorf continue to improve our fast bowling stocks are looking good. Heaven forbid either Starc or Hazlewood cop an injury but it's an occupational hazard for quicks.

Read here: http://www.espncricinfo.com/sheffield-shield-2016-17/content/story/1085669.html

 

[No4918]

This series is going to get ugly. Warner and Marsh not out to LBW. Kohli blasting everyone and due for fines. Smith looking to the dressing room.

How unfortunate.

 

[barbarian]

The bowlers have performed very, very well in this series so far. The batsmen need to lift their respective games. Take Warner fer instance:
First Test, 38 & 10
Second Test, 33 & 17.

An average of 24.5 on this tour after two tests. Not good enough for a senior batsman, David, especially getting out sweeping on a turning pitch. Our bowlers have put us in excellent positions to win both tests so far, we aren't 2-0 up because the batsmen haven't equalled the trundlers' performances. The fact the bowlers learnt from their mistakes on day three on this Bangalore pitch fills me with some confidence leading into the next encounter.

Both pitches have been absolute minefields though.

A bit harsh to expect batsmen to average 40+ when you're getting balls running along the pitch, or spinning sideways. Even the Indian bats aren't coping.

Obviously Mitch Marsh should be on the chopping block, especially if the pitches continue to be so volatile that we won't require a third quick. But I think so far our batsmen have performed pretty well.
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[Braveheart81]

That would be SMarsh's one good innings for the series (standard for him).

The alleged sub-contiental specialist has so far scored:

16 & 0

66 & 9

Out LBW not offering a shot - seriously, not offering a shot on that pitch.

No doubt that was poor yesterday.

He's outscored Handscomb and Mitch Marsh though so I wouldn't be dropping him now.

The obvious change to me seems Khawaja for Mitch Marsh. After that you would be looking to bring Maxwell in but I wouldn't be doing that yet.

 

[light]

That would be SMarsh's one good innings for the series (standard for him).

The alleged sub-contiental specialist has so far scored:

16 & 0

66 & 9

Out LBW not offering a shot - seriously, not offering a shot on that pitch.

I guess that the Indians should drop Kohli too. Not saying S Marsh is better than Kohli but as BH eludes to, both pitches have been very difficult for both sides.

He's done more than Handscomb and Warner.

 

[Braveheart81]

Mitch Marsh is officially the worst number 6 batsman in the history of test cricket (with a minimum of 20 matches).

 

[RugbyReg]

Is Travis Head on tour? Would he not be a better options in the conditions? How's his spin playing ability?

 

[light]

Is Travis Head on tour? Would he not be a better options in the conditions? How's his spin playing ability?

He's not. Glenn Maxwell and Ashton Agar are the only other two 'all-rounders' on the tour and neither look like getting a game. Of the two, I'd prefer to see Agar get a go but he's not really a test quality 6 and his fc bowling has been pretty average. That said, he can't really be much worse than Mitch Marsh.

The selectors should hang their heads in shame over the Marsh selection. Leaving Head and James Faulkner behind was stupidity. Don't get me started on Hilton Cartwright.

 

[Braveheart81]

Is Travis Head on tour? Would he not be a better options in the conditions? How's his spin playing ability?

No. He's playing Sheffield Shield at the SCG.

 

[light]

What will be interesting to see is how much longer Wade can fly under the radar. I'm hoping our problems at 6 don't distract us from the other issue we have with the bloke behind the stumps.

 

[light]

David Warner -
Average batting in Aus: 59.21 in 59 innings with 14 centuries.
Average batting overseas: 35.82 in 52 innings with 3 centuries (all in RSA).

 

[barbarian]

Mitch would come into his own if we were in more typical Indian conditions, where India could be 3/400 and he'd be really important as a third seam option.

As it is, the pitches have been ridiculous and we've barely needed a 4th bowler, let alone a 5th. A bowling all-rounder is just useless.

I have a little bit of sympathy for him for that reason. He's been thrust into a position he's not really suited to. It's more the fault of the selectors than Mitch.
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[Quick Hands]

I guess that the Indians should drop Kohli too. Not saying S Marsh is better than Kohli but as BH eludes to, both pitches have been very difficult for both sides.

He's done more than Handscomb and Warner.

But the justification given for recalling him was that he was a "sub-continental specialist".

He was picked in the team ahead of Khwaja on that basis and that basis alone.

Having said that, I don't expect him to be dropped. In all my years of watching Australia play cricket, I can't remember a player who the selectors are so desparate to pick despite multiple failures.

 

[Quick Hands]

Mitch Marsh is officially the worst number 6 batsman in the history of test cricket (with a minimum of 20 matches).

In fairness though, he shouldn't be playing test cricket at number 6.

I think that we need to remember that many of the current powers that be in Australian cricket (selectors/coach) played when the G. Marsh was the coach and the boys were in the dressing room regularly. IMO there's a personal affinity which willing these boys to succeed despite the evidence suggesting that it isn't going to happen.

 

[Braveheart81]

Having said that, I don't expect him to be dropped. In all my years of watching Australia play cricket, I can't remember a player who the selectors are so desparate to pick despite multiple failures.

I can. His brother.

Shaun Marsh has outperformed two of the top 6.

For the record, I have always proposed that Shaun Marsh should have been in this side instead of Mitch Marsh (with Khawaja remaining in the team).

 

[Braveheart81]

In fairness though, he shouldn't be playing test cricket at number 6.

I think that we need to remember that many of the current powers that be in Australian cricket (selectors/coach) played when the G. Marsh was the coach and the boys were in the dressing room regularly. IMO there's a personal affinity which willing these boys to succeed despite the evidence suggesting that it isn't going to happen.

If he can't play test cricket at 6, he can't be in the team (and shouldn't be).

If he was being picked as a specialist bowler he'd be about 40th on the list.