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Super Rugby Australia - U19 and U16

Rudderless

John Solomon (38)
Interestingly they have reinstated the TracTahs program…

Scrum, lift, tackle and drive like a pro at the NSW Rugby Union TracTahs Tight Five Skills School — a fun, hands-on day for aspiring forwards across Northern NSW.
Learn from specialist coaches, make new mates, and take your game to the next level.

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FNC Rugby

Herbert Moran (7)
I'm not so sure they took their foot off the accelerator, more so the bench players that came on were not up to the task.
Again the coaches/selectors (Clev and Evrard) really need to have a harder look at selections, some of those players had no business being there.
In the second half both props came off and the scrum went to water, just look at the last scrum at full time. They lost all forward momentum, the only players making any progress was the big fella from Bathurst.
The biggest play maker in the team was also taken off. If they believe that they brought some of the bench players on for 'development' then why wasn't the #10, #15 or a couple of others who had a full game substituted to give others a chance to 'develop'. This still stink of nepotism.
I could honestly pick an entire team from the U16 age group that would flog the team that was on the field in the 2nd half... and give the first half squad a run for their money.
There were kids playing in that u16 regional carnival in Camden earlier in the year that are better than some of these kids in the Waratah team, i will say it does go far being born with a surname to assist with selections.

Also, surely to even out the competition we should add a Waratah 2nd XV or Development XV. This would enable no bye and allow some other kids a chance to be seen on this stage. There would be teams that attend the NSW State Championships that would put the sword through both the Brumbies and Victorian teams. Kids at this age should be getting as much exposure as possible and just because you're the 4th or 5th best in your position in NSW doesn't mean you're not better than then kids in other provinces.
 

FNC Rugby

Herbert Moran (7)
I'm not so sure they took their foot off the accelerator, more so the bench players that came on were not up to the task.
Again the coaches/selectors (Clev and Evrard) really need to have a harder look at selections, some of those players had no business being there.
In the second half both props came off and the scrum went to water, just look at the last scrum at full time. They lost all forward momentum, the only players making any progress was the big fella from Bathurst.
The biggest play maker in the team was also taken off. If they believe that they brought some of the bench players on for 'development' then why wasn't the #10, #15 or a couple of others who had a full game substituted to give others a chance to 'develop'. This still stink of nepotism.
I could honestly pick an entire team from the U16 age group that would flog the team that was on the field in the 2nd half... and give the first half squad a run for their money.
Unfortunately it is what it is with the nepotism, kids not really needing to trial for the team and i am not saying they arent good players however it is strange that the selectors minds are so closed when it came to then selections. This squad would have been 98% selected prior to a ball being kicked this year
 

Mule

Alfred Walker (16)
Interestingly they have reinstated the TracTahs program…

Scrum, lift, tackle and drive like a pro at the NSW Rugby Union TracTahs Tight Five Skills School — a fun, hands-on day for aspiring forwards across Northern NSW.
Learn from specialist coaches, make new mates, and take your game to the next level.

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awesome - my son missed out on his last couple of paid up sessions when COVID shut down everything

hopefully more announced across the state?!
 

OleMan

Herbert Moran (7)
There were kids playing in that u16 regional carnival in Camden earlier in the year that are better than some of these kids in the Waratah team, i will say it does go far being born with a surname to assist with selections.

Also, surely to even out the competition we should add a Waratah 2nd XV or Development XV. This would enable no bye and allow some other kids a chance to be seen on this stage. There would be teams that attend the NSW State Championships that would put the sword through both the Brumbies and Victorian teams. Kids at this age should be getting as much exposure as possible and just because you're the 4th or 5th best in your position in NSW doesn't mean you're not better than then kids in other provinces.
I think that would be a great idea, a 2nd NSW team. Maybe not run by the Waratahs though, a completely separate and independent team, like a Western Sydney Wanderers. There would be more than a few people at NSWJRU that get their noses out of joint but it would definitely be great for NSW Rugby.
 

Bob_Jones

Herbert Moran (7)
Some thoughts on the NSW U16 team that has been picked for the final vs Qld.

FR - think the FR vs Vic played themselves out of contention for the final as their set pieces were sub par. Hill has done a great job this season to get where he has, given that he wasn't initially picked in the CAS team. Think it shows the value that Waratah selectors place on a hooker's line out throwing, as his clearly the best.

2nd Row - I hear that Basten is highly regarded by the FR for his scrum work. Suspect this has not gone unnoticed by the selectors and seems very clear that the Waratahs 16 & 19 selectors value having one of the 2 row who are 'workers' and concentrate on the tight stuff.

Back row - Hall was impressive throughout the school rep carnival and continue that on and hence took the 8 spot. Think leaves the million dollar question of what to do with Arama. Clearly the most damaging ball runner in Australian U16 rugby. Has seemed to improve his discipline and other aspects of rugby. Scrum work is however non existent (hence he can't play 8). I presume he is very likely lost to league, but I guess the Waratahs are having one last go at convincing him to stay with rugby (or at least keep going with both for the moment).

10 - Waratah selectors clearly have a certain style of 10 that they like and Ruthven is definitely that style (ie. passing, kicking, organising ala the Fowler brothers, with less priority on ball running).

12 - Very interesting that Waratahs went all in on Xeureb and actually picked no other genuine 12 in the squad and gave no other players a run in that position during the tournament (I had expected that Tarau would have got time there). He clearly plays the game like he is playing league and every play is a crash ball and every tackle is border line. He is exceptional at both those, but the question is what else does he have once those gets neutralized and have often does he get YC for high tackles?

13 - Suprised that Tarau got no game time at 10,12 or 15. He is a phenomenal talent (I think the most talented in the team) who can play anywhere, but I wonder how he feels continually getting moved aside for others (eg. Playing 13 in this comp, playing on the wing in CAS opens, etc). I wondering if the Waratahs could only pick 1 of Ruthven, Hannon & Tarua to play at 10, then who would they pick? I wonder if the Tahs know that he is lost to league, hence are prioritizing the other 2 over him??

The other observation with the squad is that the backs were somewhat an unbalanced selection position wise. This was highlighted by the fact that Garcia-Woods played 13 vs Vic. Obviously he can play there (as had played there for a year or 2 previously but had moved back into the forwards this year), but having 5 players who can play 10 or 15 and only 2 centres seemed an unusual selection combination. Perhaps the selectors don't see 12/13 as specialist positions yet and they feel that the the players are talented enough to cover those positions. Likely true, but 13 does start to become a real specialist position at the older age groups.
 

OleMan

Herbert Moran (7)
Some thoughts on the NSW U16 team that has been picked for the final vs Qld.
I’d agree with you there, Bob, regarding the front row. Talakai and Peniata are clearly the two best props, and when they’re off the field the Waratahs lose almost all of their go-forward, especially if Arama’s off at the same time. The second-half scrum against the Reds a couple of weeks ago was pretty hard to watch.

The line-out is a real weak point and should be far better at this level. I don’t think the Tahs have a genuinely reliable hooker at the moment. Lemusu and Hill work hard around the field, but their lineout throwing has been below the standard required. That said, the blame doesn’t sit solely with them—the jumpers and lifters need to execute consistently too.

As for Arama, I wouldn’t be so sure he’s heading to league. If he’s supported and managed properly, rather than criticised the way he has been over the past few years, there’s every chance he’ll stay in union. He’s a quiet and humble kid, but he plays tough and with real heart. Those who actually know him see a respectful, hard-working young man—not the labels thrown around by people on the sidelines.

I also think they’ve missed the mark with the #10 selection. Ruthven has been good, but there are a couple of quality fly-halves who weren’t even considered. Taru is a standout #10 and although he wasn’t given a run there in this tournament, I do think both he and Hannon might be better suited a bit wider where they’ve got space to play. Given Australian rugby’s struggles producing fly halves over the past decade, they really should be looking to develop multiple genuine #10 options, not just rely on one.
 
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